[Advaita-l] Dying to live Peacefully-2

[H S Chandramouli]

I also meant to say that the aim of Vedanta is not concerning death, but
concerning escape from or avoidance of  Rebirth/cycle of Birth and
death/SamsAra

Regards

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 4:31 PM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Shankar Ji,
>
> I was referring to ChArvAka philosophy. Not Vedanta
>
>
> Regards
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Belavadi Shankar <
> shankarbelavadi5 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Namasthe Chandramouliji,
>>
>> I agree with everything except the sentence; 'Don't worry about right or
>> wrong'.
>> Our Vedanta tells us, in essence: Pay attention to your actions. The Law
>> of Akarm
>> will keep track of all your actions and make judgement about your future,
>> especially
>> the reincarnation. In this regard action done 'Kaya Vacha Manasa' are all
>> included.
>>
>> Warm Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 11:54 AM, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Namaste.
>>>
>>> Reasoning advanced by CharvAkAs is similar. But conclusions entirely
>>> different. According to them , death is inevitable. So why worry about
>>> it.
>>> Enjoy to the brim while alive without a thought about death. Dont worry
>>> about right or wrong either. What is enjoyable is what is to be sought.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
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>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 9:50 AM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Dying to Live Peacefully -II
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > JK says: Death is going to strip you of everything - your family, your
>>> > sons, your character, your ambitions.
>>> >
>>> > So why not strip yourself of all that now? When you do it, then you
>>> will
>>> > know what death is”.
>>> >
>>> > Fundamental question then is how to strip yourself of everything while
>>> > living?
>>> >
>>> > Continuing the discussion:
>>> >
>>> > --------------------------
>>> >
>>> > JK, in essence, has a point in terms of how to die every minute - die
>>> to
>>> > the past. The best exercise as a part of meditation that I suggest,
>>> that I
>>> > myself do is, to mentally withdraw yourself from the body and feel
>>> your own
>>> > death and see the consequence of what dying involves. I am not talking
>>> > about the physical pains etc. but mental withdrawal to everything that
>>> we
>>> > think as ours starting our own body as it does not really belong to
>>> us, as
>>> > we have to leave body right where it is. It is an instrument given to
>>> us
>>> > for our transactions in this world. After its purpose is over we have
>>> to
>>> > leave it here and go. JK puts it, strip yourself of everything; name,
>>> fame,
>>> > all relationships, all wealth, all poverty, all possessions,
>>> obligations,
>>> > relationships and all transactions. Swami Paramarthanandaji calls it
>>> with
>>> > acronym, PORT (possessions, obligations, relationships and
>>> transactions)
>>> > that one has to give up slowly or at least mentally). When we strip
>>> > ourselves from all belongings we recognize that nothing really belongs
>>> to
>>> > us. The ownership that involves ‘this is mine’ or mamakaara is based on
>>> > false understanding. Nothing really belongs to us, that includes
>>> anything
>>> > and everything that can be put under the category of ‘this’, or that
>>> can be
>>> > objectified.  We came into this world with nothing and we are going to
>>> > leave taking nothing with us. Any objectifiable entity that comes
>>> under the
>>> > category of ‘this’ is not us nor it belongs to us. Vedanta puts simply
>>> –
>>> > you are not ‘this’ (ahankaara) and any ‘this’ does not belong to you
>>> > (mamakaara). You have to leave all that which can be put under the
>>> category
>>> > of ‘this’, i.e., any objectifiable entity since you are not an object
>>> but
>>> > the only subject in the universe, as for as you are concerned.  This is
>>> > true from everyone’s reference.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Stripping oneself from all these mentally is mental sanyaasa.  One can
>>> do
>>> > that as mental exercise, and slowly do it even at transactional level
>>> to
>>> > the degree that the mind can get detached from the PORT. Leaving means
>>> > withdrawal of the ownership (which is actually notional) as you can
>>> see how
>>> > your parents/grandparents/great grandparents left everything including
>>> > their own body when they died, without taking anything with them.  They
>>> > left it, whether they liked it or not, because whatever they left
>>> really
>>> > did not belong to them. Similarly nothing in this world belongs to us.
>>> > Vedanta says all that you can take with you is your dharma, locked in
>>> your
>>> > mind as your vaasanaas. If death involves leaving everything, then why
>>> not
>>> > leave all that ‘now’ voluntarily, and experience the beauty of death.
>>> You
>>> > will find that the mind becomes fresh and free from the dead past and
>>> the
>>> > unknown future. This mental exercise itself will help detach oneself
>>> from
>>> > the final death, since you are dying every day, nay, every second; yet
>>> > alive to experience the present, nay your own real presence stripped
>>> out of
>>> > everything. You can see yourself that you do not die, yet you are only
>>> > dying to all that you claimed that it is yours. You are Free; unlike
>>> in the
>>> > deep-sleep state, you are conscious of yourself free as there is
>>> nothing to
>>> > bind you. ‘Now’ transcends the time since it is a thin line where the
>>> past
>>> > meets the future. It can be second, microsecond, peco second …. ; at
>>> last
>>> > no time left and what is left is only you who is conscious of the
>>> > disappearing present.  You alone are real since everything is stripped
>>> out.
>>> > That is the essence of Vedantic teaching, tat tvam asi, you are that.
>>> The
>>> > rest are details.
>>> >
>>> > -------------
>>> >
>>> > To be continued
>>> >
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