[Advaita-l] Vaadiraaja Teertha's Yuktimallika - Advaita Criticism - Slokas 1-10 to 1-13

[Ravi Kiran]

Thanks Bhaskar Ji

Yes, I see your points..

On Thursday, June 22, 2017, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

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> praNAms
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> Hare Krishna
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> and become levelled water if that is the case we will have to wait for the
> complete levelled settlement of these waves and whenever there is no waves
> in ocean then only we will have to call  it as ‘water’.  That can happen
> only in mahApraLaya where nAma rUpa would get transformed into avyakta and
> become one with its kAraNa.   And ekamevAdviteeyatvaM can be attributed to
> brahman only after mahApraLaya where there vyAkruta nAma rUpa conspicuous
> by its absence!!
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> why so? why attribute ekamevAdviteeyatvaM  to brahman only after
> mahApraLaya ?
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> From where (which advaita texts), did you get such an understanding ?
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> Ø     Kindly see what I said above…I only said if you want to literally
> see the waveless ocean then you will have to wait till all the waves
> settled down (mahA praLaya).  Anyway that is not my view point and I am not
> advocating it.  It is the view point of dehAntara (videha) mukti vAdins It
> is something like deshAntara, kAlAntara, lOkAntara, avasthAdheena jnana.
> Some promoters of “need of nirvikalpa samAdhi experience”  would argue that
> Atmaikatva jnana like when Atman becomes one and all for the jnAni,
>  through which instrument  he would see and he sees what ??  quoting this
> shruti they would argue that it is possible only when there is absolute /
> literal  absence of nAma rUpa which is possible only in mind inert state
> like nirvikalpa samAdhi which is nothing but vyavahAra abhAva jnana and not
> vyavahAra bAdhita jnana.
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> OTOH knowing the kAraNa svarUpa (water) behind kArya  even when kArya
> existing is the drushti of ekatva.
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> I see you are only stating atmaikatva jnana in another way ..
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> Ø   Yes, in that another way there is no abhAva of kArya (waves) to know
> that there is only water.
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> as, सर्वं च नामरूपादि सदात्मनैव सत्यं  ( sat svarUpEna satyam)
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> From that drushti wave’s astitva does not come to an end only svatantra
> astitva of wave apart from water would get sublated (bAdhita).  One big
> wave knows that it is nothing but water and it also knows that other waves
> too nothing but water and all waves have the base as water and nothing
> else.
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> Yes, Brahman alone eternally IS ..
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> When the biggest wave (paramAtma who is instructing) instructs  bigger
> wave (special jnAni-s) to guide small waves (ordinary jnAni-jeeva-s) to
> know their svarUpa water, the water would remain same as water only despite
> the existence of big, bigger and biggest waves.
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> So, you have clarified your own earlier statement of difference ..as there
> is no difference in paramArtha jnAna or paramArtha svarUpa, any differences
> admitted only in the upAdhis ..and such differences are verily vyavahAtmaka
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> Ø   Point to be noted here is existence of ekatva water despite the
> various lengths of waves.  And inspite of knowing that there is only water
> by certain waves they would still see some other waves which are lacking
> this knowledge and wait for the supreme wave for the instruction to educate
> the waves lacking this knowledge.  That means what ?? There is  existence
> for :
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> Ø   (a) paramAtma, (b) specially abled jnAni-s, (c) not so specially
> abled jnAni-s but realized ones who shed their wave forms permanently and
> become water  and (d)  finally there are still some waves those need to be
> realized that they are nothing but water.  In short, jnAni-s like
> apAntaratama-s, even after mukti pradhAna jnana,   are not same as ordinary
> jnAni-s because whenever they want or whenever they have been instructed by
> supreme force they can again assume the form of wave by dragging their
> ‘own’ prArabdha karma phala.  Hope you would see my point of contention
> here.
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> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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> bhaskar
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