[Advaita-l] Vaadiraaja Teertha's Yuktimallika - Advaita Criticism - Slokas 1-10 to 1-13

[Srinath Vedagarbha]

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 9:27 PM, Praveen R. Bhat via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

>
> >
> > How is that it is your knowledge 'I am different from Ishvara' is
> > anubhava-siddha ?
>
> Since limitedness is anubhavasiddha and Shruti says Ishvara is limitless. I
> don't need Shruti to tell me I am limited and therefore,


Wrong.

What is anubhava siddha is you as a physical body (upaadi) is limited.
Without shruti you are not even aware there is such thing as atma/jiva
which is persist after death of your physical body. Otherwise science would
have accepted non-material chaitanya vastu long back.

So, my contention is that -- if you accept both 'I' and 'You' more than
bodies and jIva-s,  jIva-Isha bEdha is not anubhavasiddha at all, and known
only from veda. Hence your argument is wrong in denying bedha between them.

(on the side note -- if one wonder how dvaitins posit Ishvara-jaDa bEdha
using shruti, it would be for another day!)




> Is Ishvara in your anubhava?
>
> ​No, Shruti is the pramANa for Ishvara.​
>
>
>
That's good.



>
> > Unless you know pratiyOgi,
> > you cannot know the difference between anuyOgi and pratiyOgi.
> >
> ​Once you know of the pratiyogi from Shruti, ​I don't need it to tell me
> the difference between anuyogi and pratiyogi.
>

As said above, anuyOgi is definitely not sidha without shruti.




> ​​
>
> > Since Ishvara is only knowable from shruti, dvaita jnyAna (of jIvESha
> > bhEda) is shruti pratipAdya only. Otherwise there would not be any
> atheists
> > in the world.
> >
> ​There is a difference in saying that Shruti is a pramANa for Ishvara
> versus saying that Shruti is a pramANa for difference between jIva and
> Ishvara the way you say it and the way we say it that Shruti is a pramANa
> for both, Ishvara and jIveshvaraikya.
>


When Ishvara is said to be shruti siddha, it always implied Ishavara's
laxaNa-s are also shruti siddha only. Since bEdha is dharmI-svarUpa,
Ishvara's bEdha from all other non-Isharava vastu-s are automatically
shruti siddha only.

Anyways, in your argument jIva is still assiddha from anubhava point of
view.



> ​
>
>
> >
> > Sorry to say that Sri.Dayananda Sarswati is missed this basic
> understanding
> > and hence misunderstood Dvaita Siddhanta.
>
> ​I'd made a separate paragraph to indicate my conclusion, not Swamiji's.
> Sorry that you missed it. However, Swamiji's conclusion was no different,
> since he taught that Vedanta Shruti is a pramANa for advaitajnAna, it
> couldn't have been a pramANa for dvaitajnAna as well. Yet, lets drop
> Swamiji from the conversation please.
>
>
Whether shruti is pramANa is advaitajnAna or dvaitajnAna needs to be
evaluated on their own grounds. One cannot reject dvaitajnAna based on
wrong assumptions and predispositions.

/sv