[Advaita-l] shRShTi-dRShTi-vAda collapsed into dRShTi-sRShTi-vAda

Sujal Upadhyay sujal.u at gmail.com
Sun Jun 25 05:27:13 EDT 2017

Thank you Praveen ji for very nice explanation.

​Hari OM

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Praveen R. Bhat via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Sujalji,
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Sujal Upadhyay via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > When we discuss SDV or DSV, or that any verses speak about them, what
> > factors are taken into consideration?
> ​The most important factor is what precedes what from the perspective of
> the jIva. If the creation is said to be outside an individual before he
> sees it, it is considered as SDV. OTOH, if it is not, it is DSV. In DSV,
> there are two flavours, one that says that creation is simultaneous with
> the sight, while the other that says that sight itself is creation.
> Is bahirdRSya (bahir-drishya,
> > extrovert, cosmos, macrocosm) is taken into account or is it antatdRSya
> > (antar-drishya, introvert, microcosm, inner world, mental world) is taken
> > into account.
> >
> The terms outside are inside​ are with reference to one's body where one
> limit's oneself. That said, DSV says that the body itself kalpita, what
> then to mention of the references inside and outside. At this point one may
> ask as to kalpita where? If one says inside, then inside from what could be
> the next question. And the understanding is that kalpanA is possible in the
> mind only, which is also kalpita! Karikakara deals with this very nicely by
> saying that the creation is not really there, but its the svabhAva of
> brahma. Everything rises in the consciousness and seems to be a creation
> followed by everything else when given any reality.
> Are you trying to say that whatever is inside (mind) is projected outside.
> >
> ​Yes, as described above though.​
> When we see an object or person, we feel it, experience it, add value to it
> > and so perceive it. In other words seeing is perceiving. so seeing or
> > darshan is actually knowledge (of object).
> >
> ​The object is also kalpita, so the sight/ knowledge as generated ​by the
> object is a bhrama.
> On a related note, the Karikakara says that the same person can go through
> all three states and become vishva, taijasa and prajna in jAgrat itself.
> gurupAdukAbhyAm,
> --Praveen R. Bhat
> /* येनेदं सर्वं विजानाति, तं केन विजानीयात्। Through what should one know
> That owing to which all this is known! [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */
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