[Advaita-l] Who has Ajnana/Maya?

Praveen R. Bhat bhatpraveen at gmail.com
Fri Mar 17 13:58:16 EDT 2017

Namaste Kalyanji,

On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Kalyan via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> An incorrect belief of misery is real misery. Therefore people are really
> affected by misery when they incorrectly believe they are miserable.

The reality of the "really affected" ​is at the same level of reality as
the world which is vyAvahArika. On the pAramarthikA level, the jIva which
is brahmAtman, is not really affected.

I have discussed this point here -
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/bvparishat/KlKjUx7J9mY

On the same thread, some references were given, one of them being Gita 13.2
wherein Bhashyakara deals with this as pUrvapakSha in detail and refutes it.

> As Des Cartes says, I think, therefore I am. It is thoughts and
> perceptions that make us realize that we are a conscious entity.

​​What Des Cartes says is irrelevant to Vedanta; "I think therefore I am"
is putting the cart before the horse, according to any Vedanta flavour you
pick. You have to exist before you can think.​ So I definitely am and I may
or may not think. That I know myself as an individual may need a karaNa and
therefore a thought, but knowing that I exist is svatassidhaH. Its more
like I think, therefore I think I am; not thinking would not take away
existence. sata abhAvaH na vidyate.

> There is no consciousness in the state of dreamless sleep.
​Then do you learn that you were unconscious from someone else after waking
up? It is svatassiddhaH. The experience of having no thought, seeing
nothing, happiness, can be re-collected on waking up ​only due to it being
*collected* in the first place during deep sleep. Its shUnyavAda to say
there is no consciousness in deep sleep, which stands refuted by

--Praveen R. Bhat
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