[Advaita-l] Trimurtis are created of Pancha bhūta-s - Shankara

[V Subrahmanian]

Dear Sri Chandramouli ji,

Do the portions cited by you contradict the ones cited by me?  When it is
said ' atra  cha  parameshvarasya pa~nchatanmAtrAdyutpattau,
saptadashAvayavopeta-li~NgasharIrotpattau,  hiraNyagarbhasthUlasharIrotpattau
cha,  sAkShAtkartRRitvam |' it should not be forgotten that God, in the
context of creation, is already defined by this very text, that I have
cited: Brahman, with māyā association resolves to create.  This element of
Māyā is the pariṇāmi upādāna kāraṇam for the pancha sukṣma bhūtas and from
them the linga sharira, of both Hiranyagarbha and other jivas. So, when God
is the sākśāt kāraṇam, it is only through/with the association of māyā.
Thus, Hiranyagarbha is prakrti kāryam. The text wants to distinguish the
stage up to which Brahman is the direct cause and the stage from which
Hiranyagarbha is the cause.

regards
subbu

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:50 PM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Reg  << In the 7th Pariccheda is the jagatsṛṣṭi krama is detailed. There
> it is stated ( I am giving only a summary and not the exact lines, which
> may be read in any standard publication.) Brahman, with māyā association
> resolves to create. Thereupon emerge the five elements - apanchīkṛta pancha
> tanmātra-named elements. Then there is a discussion about the guṇa-s of the
> elements. And the creation of the sense and  motor organs and the
> antahkaranam. Then is the panchikaraṇa process detailed, incidentally. Then
> it says:
>
> तैश्च अपञ्चीकृतभूतैः लिङ्गशरीरम् परलोकयात्रानिर्वाहकं ....जायते । From
> the apanchikrta pancha bhutas emerges the Linga sharīra, which is of two
> types: Param and aparam. Param is Hiranyagarbhalingashariram. Aparam is our
> lingashariram. Hiranyagarbhalingasharira is called Mahat tattvam. After
> this the 14 lokas are stated to be born of the panchikrta bhutas.  >>,
>
>
>
> This is succeeded by the following in Vedanta Paribhasha
>
>
>
> << अत्र  च  परमेश्वरस्य पञ्चतन्मात्राद्युत्पत्तौ,  सप्तदशावयवोपेत-
> लिङ्गशरीरोत्पत्तौ,  हिरण्यगर्भस्थूलशरीरोत्पत्तौ  च,  साक्षात्कर्तृत्वम् ।
> इतरनिखिलप्रपञ्चोत्पत्तौ  हिरण्यगर्भादिद्वारा । >>
>
>
>
> << atra  cha  parameshvarasya pa~nchatanmAtrAdyutpattau,
> saptadashAvayavopeta-li~NgasharIrotpattau,  hiraNyagarbhasthUlasharIrotpattau
> cha,  sAkShAtkartRRitvam | itaranikhilaprapa~nchotpattau
> hiraNyagarbhAdidvArA |>>
>
>
>
> Translation,  Swami Madhavananda  << Now, in the origination of the five
> subtle elements etc. ( footnote ; refers to the five gross elements ), the
> subtle body consisting of seventeen components, and the gross body of
> Hiranyagarbha, God is a direct agent ; while in the origination of all the
> rest of the universe He is such through the medium of Hiranyagarbha and
> others ( Footnote ; Refers to the PrajApatis, the progenitors of different
> beings ).>>.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
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