[Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Kalyan via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

>
> //Simple question: Is the Jagadguru of Sringeri wrong in blessing the SVBF
> initiative in Pennsylvania?
>
> Answer: I bipin chauhan on behalf of Eternal Law declared it totally
> wrong.//
>
> Namaste Shri Chauhanji
>
> I salute you. You have the courage to call a spade as a spade. That too in
> a forum where there are many diehard followers of Sringeri maTha. Now, let
> us brace for the backlash. :)
>
>
In this day we can see like Sri Santosh said the hypocrisy of elders. To
the children they will preach Dharma but inwardly focus on Money and Sense
enjoyment. This means people have become Pracchanna Caarvaakas. In name
only they are Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Sudras. In name only they
are Smartas and Vaishnavas. But they all really are Caarvaakas. The
Caarvaakas are there not only in foreign countries but also in India. In
India you pay a priest and he will agree to do anything you ask even if it
is not in Sastra. He will skip many Mantras and make a 2 hour function into
a 15 minute function. All this is going on everywhere and not only in
foreign countries. Where is Dharma?

Seeing all this the Sringeri Swamijis can conclude India also has become a
Caarvaaka Land. The Most Dominating religion of India. It is not Hinduism.
In states like Kerala and Bengal the Mleccha population is so high and
continuously increasing. In all big cities the Muslim population is
at least 20% and will soon become 25% and even more. The Muslim population
in India is not much less than the population of Pakistan. Then there is no
difference between USA and India because the Mleccha population is so high.
If they can open a branch in India in a big city they can open in USA also.
What is the difference?

Therefore two conclusions are important. One the Hindus are mostly
Caarvaaka Materialists. Two the Mleccha population in India is very high.
When Dharma Sastra rule was made for prohibiting foreign travel the
conditions in India was different. Most of the people were following Varna
and Ashrama Dharma. The Mleccha population was low.

Because of Globalization the Caarvaakas are spread everywhere in the world.
There is no difference between India and other countries.



> Regards
> Kalyan
>
>
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> On Sat, 10/7/17, कुवँर बिपिन चौहान <bipinchauhan7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Chanting Gayatri overseas
>  To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
> vedanta.org>
>  Cc: "Raghav Kumar Dwivedula" <raghavkumar00 at gmail.com>, "V Subrahmanian"
> <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>, "Kalyan" <kalyan_kg at yahoo.com>, "Vēdānta
> Study Group" <vedant.study at gmail.com>
>  Date: Saturday, October 7, 2017, 2:35 PM
>
>  Namaste !
>
>  Please desh, kaal, stithi ke pare hai paralukik yeh purntah
>  galat hai ki gayatri jambudwip se bahar uccahran kari jaye.
>
>  Tark sansarik mat hai anytha sab neti neti hai.
>
>  Yeh spasht hai ki gayatri ji gupt hain
>
>  https://www.facebook.com/shrimahakaleshwar/posts/843149805785998
>
>  My guru batuk shastri (Brahmnal, Varanasi) always says
>  it's next to impossible we go against shastr on anyway.
>
>  Simple question: Is the Jagadguru of Sringeri wrong in
>  blessing the SVBF initiative in Pennsylvania?
>
>  Answer: I bipin chauhan on behalf of Eternal Law declared it
>  totally wrong.
>
>  For this my Guru ke Guru Swami Karpatri fight/ shastrath
>  with madan mohan malviya that Widow marriage is not possible
>  the fool vaishya kul empire goenka say as per shastr Swami
>  Karpatri ji right but malviya is also not wrong due to desh
>  kal stithi shloka of gita ji.
>
>  I know Jagadguru Sri Bharati Tirtha Mahaswamiji but
>  ignorance or will of Brahman all this happen because Bharat
>  unable to follow
>
>  https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AE%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BE%
> E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%81%E0%A4%B6%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A8
>  from long ago.
>
>
>  Anyway
>  Ram
>
>
>  On 7 October 2017 at
>  10:23, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-
> vedanta.org>
>  wrote:
>  That's
>  an excellent bhAShya reference, Subbu ji,  on how dharma
>  can
>
>  definitely be reinterpreted by shiShTa-s in keeping with the
>  present desha
>
>  and kAla. No doubt it's not a licence to say, anything
>  goes. We have to
>
>  cautiously move on.
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>
>
>  But to say that all NRI brahmins are patita-s as long as
>  they are based
>
>  abroad seems untenable.
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>  Om
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>  Raghav
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>  On 07-Oct-2017 8:20 AM, "V Subrahmanian via
>  Advaita-l" <
>
>  advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>  vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
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>  > On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:52 AM, Vēdānta Study Group
>  via Advaita-l <
>
>  > advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>  vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>  >
>
>  > > Harih Om
>
>  > >
>
>  > > Dharma (and its interpretation) evolves through
>  time.
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>  >
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>  >
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>  > Shankara, in his Brahma sutra bhashya ३.१.२५
>  has said:
>
>  >
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>  > यस्मिन्देशे काले
>  निमित्ते च यो
>  धर्मोऽनुष्ठीयते, स एव
>
>  >
>  देशकालनिमित्तान्तरेष्वधर्मो
>  भवति ; तेन न
>  शास्त्रादृते
>  धर्माधर्मविषयं
>
>  > विज्ञानं
>  कस्यचिदस्ति । - Dharma is place-time
>  specific and hence the
>
>  > scripture is the best source to decide what is dharma
>  and what is not.
>
>  >
>
>  > And in innumerable places Shankara has stated that
>  śiṣṭāchāra, conduct of
>
>  > the noble, as a source of Dharma/adharma. In fact the
>  Taittiriya Upanishad
>
>  > itself says: Follow those who are wedded to Dharma, in
>  deciding what course
>
>  > of action you have to take, while in doubt, etc.
>
>  >
>
>  > While the śiṣṭa-s may not encourage people going
>  abroad, yet they have
>
>  > continued to bless those who live abroad, for whatever
>  reasons. I have
>
>  > heard the earlier Jagadguru would bless those who seek
>  his blessings while
>
>  > a boy is going abroad for higher studies: 'My
>  blessings are there on this
>
>  > condition: Study there and return to our Land and serve
>  here.' Now, over
>
>  > the years we have huge settlements abroad who seek to
>  follow dharma. In
>
>  > fact I came across at least one person, who has studied
>  the entire Rg Veda
>
>  > and is now teaching people even in India, through Skype
>  from the US. There
>
>  > are sincere seekers who have said 'the quite,
>  serene atmosphere there is
>
>  > very conducive to dhyāna, contemplation, etc.'
>  This is what is sought by
>
>  > anyone who is a seeker, ultimately.
>
>  >
>
>  > Above all, we have to also remember this:  Between
>  niyama (observances) and
>
>  > yama (fundamental moral conduct), the latter takes
>  precedence over the
>
>  > former in spiritual progress and attainment. Swami
>  Vidyaranya in the
>
>  > Jivanmuktiviveka has given references for this rule. He
>  also points out
>
>  > cases of extremity where 'a certain person looked
>  for a pure place all over
>
>  > the world to conduct his religious practice and could
>  not find a single
>
>  > one'. What is important above all is for a person
>  to value ahimsā, satyam,
>
>  > akrodha, brahmacharya and non-stealing. These are the
>  five yama-s that are
>
>  > crucial for spiritual evolvement. Niyama-s are there to
>  support these in
>
>  > the long run. They are not to be belittled either. An
>  individual-specific,
>
>  > balanced, view is what is moderate.
>
>  >
>
>  > regards
>
>  > subbu
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>  >
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>  >
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>  >
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>  >
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>  > > What is stated in the
>
>  > > Brhadaranyaka upanishad may be contextual to the
>  social situation then.
>
>  > > These boundaries can be widened as contemporary
>  sampradayavits see fit.
>
>  > >
>
>  > > As someone correctly points out, even the
>  Jagadguru of Sringeri has
>
>  > blessed
>
>  > > the SVBF mandir to be set up in Pennsylvania.
>  Surely these Acharyas have
>
>  > a
>
>  > > better understanding of the commentaries and how
>  to make them applicable
>
>  > in
>
>  > > present times. Personally, I don't see
>  ourselves fit to form a universal
>
>  > > opinion for Hindus to follow, but certainly these
>  teachers are in a
>
>  > > position to do so, and they have. So far I have
>  not seen any counter to
>
>  > > this point
>
>  > >
>
>  > > Namaste,
>
>  > > Prashant
>
>  > >
>
>  > > On 6 October 2017 at 11:14, Kalyan via Advaita-l
>  <
>
>  > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-
>  vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>  > >
>
>  > > > I am surprised that in this entire discussion
>  no one has quoted the
>
>  > > > Brihadaranyaka upanishad so far.
>
>  > > >
>
>  > > > Br.Up.1.3.10 advises against foreign travel.
>  Shankara interprets it in
>
>  > > the
>
>  > > > same way.
>
>  > > >
>
>  > > > Travel should be confined to lands inhabited
>  by people possessing Vedic
>
>  > > > knowledge - this is the gist.
>
>  > > >
>
>  > > > Thus, there is Shruti prohibition against
>  foreign travel.
>
>  > > >
>
>  > > >
>
>  > > > Regards
>
>  > > > Kalyan
>
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-Venkatesh