[Advaita-l] How can the reality of brahman be proven?

[V Subrahmanian]

Everything waters down to Sat, Existence. None can succeed in proposing the
destruction/non-existence of Sat. It is on this extremely sound, strong
logical basis that the Vedanta has established the eternality, nityatvam,
satyatvam, of Brahman. If one contemplates on the Sat one will easily see
that one is that Sat, which is the teaching of Tat Tvam Asi. Sat is Tat.
The shruti is only an aid in bringing our attention to Sat.

vs

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 8:04 AM, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Kalyan via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > //The answer becomes easy if you change Brahman to Self. Because in
> Advaita
> > both are one and the same. How can you prove you yourself exist? Do you
> > need a proof? Or not? Do you have doubt you are existing or not? Do you
> > need faith in Sruti to tell you you are existing?//
> >
> > Namaste
> >
> > There is a self-evident sense of self in me right now. But there is no
> > proof that this sense of self is permanent. In fact, we see people taking
> > birth and undergoing death everyday. I dont remember having a sense of
> self
> > before my birth. Nor do I know what will happen after my death.
> >
> > Now one may say - I dont remember doesn't mean it did not exist. Fair
> > enough. But we are talking about proof. One needs to show that my sense
> of
> > self existed whether or not I remember it.
> >
> > If it were so simple, then even nAstikas would have accepted brahman.
>
>
> Your argument is like Kshanika Vaada Buddhists but it is destroyed by Adi
> Sankara easily in Ghata Bhashya. When you say there is no permanent sense
> of self there must be something in the background seeing the changing sense
> of self. Otherwise how you say it is changing? For any change to be called
> as change there must be something to observe the change and that something
> must be unchanging. That unchanging observer is Brahman and your true Self.
>
> That Unchanging Observer will remain throughout your life. But you cannot
> prove it dies with death of body Or it was dead before birth. The burden is
> on you to prove it was not existing before birth and after death of body.
>
>
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