[Advaita-l] The 'Snake-and-ladder' game - The Spiritual path

[Murali k]

Mr Sarma,

Thanks for your link. Normally, I would ignore any link posted in a
leftist-centric irrational pseudo-newspaper like the Wire. But  as you have
posted it here,
let me write a reply to your post.

The controversy is NOT about Carnatic singers christian songs.  It is about
replacing names of Rama and Krishna with that of Jesus in classical
Carnatic compositions.. That is the problem. This is something which this
article that you posted did not cover, very conveniently. It is easier to
run with "Vile media campaign' rather than the 'Vile side of Christian
Cultural appropriation'.And this newspaper's hatred for Brahmins knows no
bounds. One only has to read this article to realise it. Were you able to
pick up the hatred? Or do you doubt that too?

And, as for you quoting all these musicians, none of them, to the best of
my knowledge, replaced Krishna and Rama with Jesus in Carnatic
compositions.. Correct me if I am wrong. And them being ardent devotees of
Hindu gods does not matter to the topic at hand. I wonder why you brought
it up.

I can write about how missionaries can use these recordings for their own
benefit, but I am sure you can connect the dots.

As I do not want to Hijack this thread, This will be my last post on  this
topic.

Regards,
Murali





On 9 August 2018 at 16:04, D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ <dvnsarma at gmail.com>
wrote:

> To ne fair the other side.
> https://thewire.in/communalism/in-tamil-nadu-non-
> hindu-carnatic-musicians-are-being-othered
>
> Bismilla Khan is the Asthana Vidwan of Kashi Viswanath Temple.
> Nadaswara vidvan Shiek China Moula was a great devoteeof Lord Ranganatha
> of Srirangam.
> Abraham Pandithar wrote a voluminous book on Carnatic music
> K.J.Jesudas is devotee of Guruvayur Appan.
> regards,
> Sarma.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:23 PM Murali k via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Jaldharji,
>>
>> And, Speaking of Cultural Appropriation, we have this :
>>
>> https://mahaperiyavaa.blog/2018/08/07/shame-on-all-you-
>> singers/#comment-54246
>>
>> Very unfortunate.  My apologies if my post is off-topic.
>>
>> Best,
>> Murali
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 August 2018 at 11:49, Jaldhar H. Vyas via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l wrote:
>> >
>> > Copied and pasted from FB page of Ajay Khemka
>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ajay.khemka.75?fref=mentions>
>> >>
>> >> The British (intentionally to break our rich culture & education
>> >> system) later named it Snakes and Ladders instead of the original
>> Moksha
>> >> Patam.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > When I was growing up in England we went on a school trip to the Museum
>> of
>> > Childhood (part of the Victoria and Albert Museum) in London.  They had
>> an
>> > exhibition of childrens games through the ages and it was there I first
>> > learned about the Indian origins of Snakes and Ladders.  The early
>> > victorian versions clearly acknowledged the games Indian origin.  (I
>> > remember one was subtitled "The Hindoo Game of Virtue and Vice.") They
>> were
>> > decorated in Indian motifs (albeit stereotypical ones such as elephants
>> and
>> > snake charmers.) Yes they altered it to fit Christian morality but the
>> idea
>> > that it was some sinister plot is pure paranoia. Such overwrought
>> reactions
>> > are actually counter-productive because then no one will take the real
>> > cases of cultural appropriation  seriously.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, they do not seem to have made images from their
>> collection
>> > available on the net but this link:
>> >
>> > https://www.vam.ac.uk/moc/collections/snakes-and-ladders/
>> >
>> > gives a short introduction.  As you can see the Hindu origins are not at
>> > all obscured.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
>> >
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