[Advaita-l] The 'Snake-and-ladder' game - The Spiritual path

[D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ]

Dear Raghavji.
A jnani can make a baffallo recite what you consider as sacred and
apaurusheya vedas.
When traditionalists started harassing his father, Sant Jnaneswar exactly
did that. We hear that, that baffallo
continued to recite vedas till it died. Come out of the narrow and
sectarian modes of thinking. It neither helps you nor helps others.
regards,
Sarma.


On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 2:17 PM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> You wrote
>
> This point is already addressed. If buffalo can be treated as Ishwara, then
> so can Allah and Christ.
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>  Nope. The buffalo was treated as Ishvara for a specific Adhikari who
> fulfilled the followings conditions, not just everybody. You are totally
> ignoring the following
> 1. He the student had a pre-existing  great love for the form of the
> buffalo
> 2. He was under the guidance of an accomplished advaita teacher.
> 3. He wanted to overcome his obsession about the Buffalo and instead wants
> to dwell upon nirguNa brahman
> 4. The teacher *teaches about  Brahman first* and asks the student to grow
> up and let go of his dualistic obsessions  which the student understands
> and accepts but his emotions sometimes are still centred on his past
> obsession viz., the buffalo.
> 5.Then alone he is asked to meditate that whenever his mind spontaneously
> and obsessively thinks of  the Buffalo, then he is asked by the Guru to
> direct his attention to the very adhiShtAnam the truth of even that form of
> the Buffalo and thus reject the buffalo form as unreal and successfully
> dwell on that nirguNa  Brahman.
> In the above five points you can replace the word 'Buffalo' with any other
> form which is creating an obstacle fir the student in dwelling upon
> Formless Brahman.
>  I am going to end this discussion here. Because your whole argument, i am
> convinced, is because you felt hurt and have taken offence to the article
> about the Panchadashi where its written that even the Buffalo is a valid
> locus for meditation upon Brahman.
>
> If you disagree with the Panchadashi or if you claim that the author
> Vidyaranya is wrong because according to you he is saying in effect that
> (these are your confused words)
>  If buffalo can be treated as Ishwara, then so can Allah and Christ.
> It shows your misunderstanding of the panchdashI.
>
> Generally who are very devoted to a particular form of the Lord like
> Vishnu, Krishna etc see a red rag in such advaitic ideas.
>
> Om
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> Thu 9 Aug, 2018, 11:37 PM Kalyan via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > //The word devata and their worship such as Rama etc.,  is clearly talked
> > of
> > in shAstra. If you claim that Allah and Jesus qualify to be called
> devatas
> > , please show how. The onus is on you to prove Allah and Jesus can be
> > called devatas as per the advaitic tradition.//
> >
> > This point is already addressed. If buffalo can be treated as Ishwara,
> > then so can Allah and Christ.
> > Here is a link about Sri Ramakrishna, and Christ -
> > http://www.spiritualbee.com/posts/sri-ramakrishna-vision-of-jesus/
> >
> >
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