[Advaita-l] The 'Snake-and-ladder' game - The Spiritual path

[Murali k]

Mr Sarma,

Your views on tradititon  are somewhat similar to the views held by
J.Krishnamurti, whose video you have shared, as per your google + account.
It is  way more easier to quote JK than be JK. At the end of his life, JK
was of the view that none understood his message. So much for preaching
against tradition for 50+ years. Have you realised the truth after
discarding tradtion?  If not, have you made any progress towards this now
that the burden of searching for nuggets of wisdom in the tradtion is off
your back. Or is this limited to making posts against tradtion?

You also said that A buffalo can recite the Vedas and quoted an anecdote to
that effect. Let us leave the saint alone for the time  being? Now, can you
make a buffalo recite the Vedas? Please do not forget to let me know when
you can do that.

Thanks,
Murali


On 11 August 2018 at 07:37, D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Raghavji,
>
> शब्दजालं महारण्यं चित्तभ्रमणकारणम्
> Using language in order to express something which is not subject of
> language and beyond language leads to problems.
> As far as I am concerned  advaita is a matter of experience and not of
> discussion. Tradition is huge bundle of trash which may contain
> a few truths. It is not economical to process this trash for those few
> truths. If they are truths we will come across them anyway.
> I do not think any useful purpose is served by discussions about the
> utility of tradition.
>
> Thank you for your post.
> regards,
> Sarma.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 6:49 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
> raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Namaste Sarma ji
> > yanmanasaa na manute does not mean Aatma GYAnam cannot be taught by guru
> > through shAstra . Thats a wrong translation.
> >
> > You also have to look at 'manasA Eva idam aaptavyam' . Nishprapancham
> > prapanchyate' etc.  It  only means Aatma cannot be *objectified* by the
> > mind. Maybe you have heard of the nuance called absence of phala vyApti
> > etc.,all issues taking us away in to other topics. So i stop here after
> > reiterating that
> > ShAstra is more than just a indicator of some distant truth - its a
> direct
> > means of knowledge to reveal the Aatma svarUpam here and now for someone
> > who studies it under a proper Guru after fulfilling the prerequisites.
> >
> > Anyway, you do not accept the Vedas as a pramANam , since you feel that
> > the vedas are blackmailing  you in to submission - a view based on
> > misreading the  Vedas  - so it's better to discuss other issues that you
> > believe in and move on.
> >
> > Om
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri 10 Aug, 2018, 9:49 PM D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ, <
> > dvnsarma at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Raghavji,
> >> I already know all 1 and 2.
> >> Third point is wrong. Aatma cannot be taught either by a guru or a
> >> sastra. Aatma they say is not an object of knowledge.(yanmnsaa na
> manute)
> >> It is knowledge itself.
> >> Also you are contradicting your second statement that it is not
> something
> >> to be achieved.
> >>
> >> Thank you for your post.
> >> regards,
> >> Sarma.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:30 PM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
> >> raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Namaste Sarma ji
> >>> Amongst several other things your statement - SAstras(upanishads)
> >>> indicate that there is a state that has to be achieved *that is all* -
> >>> is not at all right.
> >>>
> >>> 1. It's not a state
> >>> 2. It's not something new to be achieved
> >>> 3.  ShAstra is more than just a indicator of some distant truth - its a
> >>> direct means of knowledge to reveal the Aatma svarUpam here and now for
> >>> someone who studies it under a proper Guru after fulfilling the
> requisites.
> >>>
> >>> I can understand that someone does not accept the Vedas as a pramANa.
> >>> But  svataH pramaaNyavAda is implicit in all human transactions
> including
> >>> science.
> >>>
> >>>  Om
> >>>
> >>
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