[Advaita-l] The 'Snake-and-ladder' game - The Spiritual path

[Murali k]

Mr.Sarma,

Neither have I claimed that you were a follower of JK or that you have
realised the truth! I mentioned that that you have shared his video. The
base-line rate of people who realise the truth is low to begin with.

#  Do not put words in my mouth. I never said a buffalo can recite vedas on
its own.

Fair enough. I should have been more careful with my choice of words.


# Do not wait for me to make a buffalo recite vedas. That is not going to
happen.

Sure. Thanks for the heads-up.

Regards,
Murali




>


On 11 August 2018 at 15:39, D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ <dvnsarma at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 2:24 PM Murali k <methusala8 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mr Sarma,
>>
>> Your views on tradititon  are somewhat similar to the views held by
>> J.Krishnamurti, whose video you have shared, as per your google + account.
>> It is  way more easier to quote JK than be JK. At the end of his life, JK
>> was of the view that none understood his message. So much for preaching
>> against tradition for 50+ years. Have you realised the truth after
>> discarding tradtion?  If not, have you made any progress towards this now
>> that the burden of searching for nuggets of wisdom in the tradtion is off
>> your back. Or is this limited to making posts against tradtion?
>>
>
> I have not claimed that I am a follower of JK. Neither I have claimed that
> I have realised the truth. As Yajnvavalkya said I bow to them who realised
> truth.
> But I want you to examine how many people who have been following
> tradition have realised the truth. What percentage of those who have taken
> sanyasasrama  in traditional way.can claim that they have realised truth.
>
>
>>
>> You also said that A buffalo can recite the Vedas and quoted an anecdote
>> to that effect. Let us leave the saint alone for the time  being? Now, can
>> you make a buffalo recite the Vedas? Please do not forget to let me know
>> when you can do that.
>>
>
> Do not put words in my mouth. I never said a buffalo can recite vedas on
> its own. I said that Saint Jnaneswar  when their family was harassed by
> local vaidic parishat taught them a lesson by making a buffalo recite the
> vedas. This is well know story in Bhakta Vijayam. Nothing I invented. Do
> not wait for me to make a buffalo recite vedas. That is not going to happen.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Murali
>>
>>
>>
> regards,
> sarma.
>
>> On 11 August 2018 at 07:37, D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Raghavji,
>>>
>>> शब्दजालं महारण्यं चित्तभ्रमणकारणम्
>>> Using language in order to express something which is not subject of
>>> language and beyond language leads to problems.
>>> As far as I am concerned  advaita is a matter of experience and not of
>>> discussion. Tradition is huge bundle of trash which may contain
>>> a few truths. It is not economical to process this trash for those few
>>> truths. If they are truths we will come across them anyway.
>>> I do not think any useful purpose is served by discussions about the
>>> utility of tradition.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your post.
>>> regards,
>>> Sarma.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 6:49 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
>>> raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Namaste Sarma ji
>>> > yanmanasaa na manute does not mean Aatma GYAnam cannot be taught by
>>> guru
>>> > through shAstra . Thats a wrong translation.
>>> >
>>> > You also have to look at 'manasA Eva idam aaptavyam' . Nishprapancham
>>> > prapanchyate' etc.  It  only means Aatma cannot be *objectified* by the
>>> > mind. Maybe you have heard of the nuance called absence of phala vyApti
>>> > etc.,all issues taking us away in to other topics. So i stop here after
>>> > reiterating that
>>> > ShAstra is more than just a indicator of some distant truth - its a
>>> direct
>>> > means of knowledge to reveal the Aatma svarUpam here and now for
>>> someone
>>> > who studies it under a proper Guru after fulfilling the prerequisites.
>>> >
>>> > Anyway, you do not accept the Vedas as a pramANam , since you feel that
>>> > the vedas are blackmailing  you in to submission - a view based on
>>> > misreading the  Vedas  - so it's better to discuss other issues that
>>> you
>>> > believe in and move on.
>>> >
>>> > Om
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri 10 Aug, 2018, 9:49 PM D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ, <
>>> > dvnsarma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Raghavji,
>>> >> I already know all 1 and 2.
>>> >> Third point is wrong. Aatma cannot be taught either by a guru or a
>>> >> sastra. Aatma they say is not an object of knowledge.(yanmnsaa na
>>> manute)
>>> >> It is knowledge itself.
>>> >> Also you are contradicting your second statement that it is not
>>> something
>>> >> to be achieved.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you for your post.
>>> >> regards,
>>> >> Sarma.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 9:30 PM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula <
>>> >> raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Namaste Sarma ji
>>> >>> Amongst several other things your statement - SAstras(upanishads)
>>> >>> indicate that there is a state that has to be achieved *that is all*
>>> -
>>> >>> is not at all right.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 1. It's not a state
>>> >>> 2. It's not something new to be achieved
>>> >>> 3.  ShAstra is more than just a indicator of some distant truth -
>>> its a
>>> >>> direct means of knowledge to reveal the Aatma svarUpam here and now
>>> for
>>> >>> someone who studies it under a proper Guru after fulfilling the
>>> requisites.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I can understand that someone does not accept the Vedas as a pramANa.
>>> >>> But  svataH pramaaNyavAda is implicit in all human transactions
>>> including
>>> >>> science.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>  Om
>>> >>>
>>> >>
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