[Advaita-l] The 'Light of Consciousness'.

[H S Chandramouli]

Pranams Sri Sadananda Ji,

I was not clear about what the post intended to say about the dream state.
Hence I have taken just one sentence from it to present my understanding
 of  the dream state.

<< There also dreamer jeeva has mind different from the mind of the tiger
that is chasing him. The actions and the thoughts are motivated by the
dreamer's karmedriyas and jnaanedriyas >>.

Only the dreamer has MI. The other socalled jIvAs like tiger, humans, even
the look-alike dreamer jIva ( dreamer jIva in the dream, maybe in another
garb) etc all have no mind of their own. They are only part of the
dreamer’s subtle MI manifest in a seemingly gross form. There are no
indriyas ( karmendriyas or jnanendriyas ) functional as well. Mandukya
kArika 2-15 may be referred. No pramANAs are operative. The dream objects
 including the jIvAs, along with their knowledge thereof,  are
projected/manifested  simultaneously.

Regards

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On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 7:58 PM kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
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> PraNAms
> Dream experience comes under internal perceptions where sense waking world
> sense input is not there.
> What one experiences is based on the memory stored in the mind from past
> experiences with intermixing of those. The dream world is created not
> sequentially but simultaneously. Mandukya uses a parallel statement -
> eknona vimshati mukaH - 19 gateways through which the world is experienced,
> where the BMI of the waker jeeva or dreamer jeeva experiencing their
> external world.
> The dream is not a dream for a dreamer while in the dream.
> Hence similar  pramaanas can operate for the parallel jeevas - One can
> have in the dream the hare with horns since it is the waker's mind that can
> create from the memory of hares and horns and the dreamer jeeva does not
> find it as strange. There also dreamer jeeva has mind different from the
> mind of the tiger that is chasing him. The actions and the thoughts are
> motivated by the dreamer's karmedriyas and jnaanedriyas. The thought that
> arises in the mind of the dreamer jeeva is illumined by the light of
> consciousness, just similar to what happens in the waking world. That it
> was different and not real is the only conclusion of the waker and not a
> dreamer.
> Hence we can have sunlight, moonlight etc just as in the waking world but
> they are unreal only from the point of the waker and not from the point of
> the dreamer.
> Goudapaada vaitatya prakarana centers on this to prove that two worlds are
> similar and unreal.
> The one who has awakened to the paaramaarthika state, for him even the
> waking world is unreal.
> The descriptions are parallel as Madukya puts it.
> Just my 2c.
> Hari Om!Sadananda
>
>
>
>    On Sunday, December 23, 2018, 2:59:48 PM GMT+5:30, Raghav Kumar
> Dwivedula via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> The dream experience demonstrates the fact that the external object and
> extrnal sources of light are not essential for our experience of 'Light'.
> (AtmA is svayam-jyotiH)
>
>
> You incidentally mentioned the following in your post viz., - it's just
> incidental but was reminded of a humourous video. You wrote-
>
> "When I am sitting in a dark room, if you ask me if there is a chair in the
> room, I say, I do not know, since I cannot see it. The chair may be there
> or may not be there. The probability for the existence or its non-existence
> is 50 percent since there are only two choices."
>
> It appears there is a mix up in the above para between possibilities (of
> which there are two viz., either the chair is there or not there ) with
> probabilities (which will have to be weighted based on specifics). We
> cannot say that all possibilities are equally probable and say it's 50 per
> cent for each possibility. For example, a wrong argument would be to say -
> "there are three possibilities when you toss a coin - heads or tails or 'it
> lands on its edge'. So the probability of landing on its edge is 33%."
>
> There is a humourous video related to this.
>
> https://youtu.be/7y4T7DnSeo0
>
> Om
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