[Advaita-l] Question about Avaccheda vada

Aditya Kumar kumaraditya22 at yahoo.com
Fri Feb 9 10:50:44 EST 2018

Thanks for the clarification. 
On Fri, 9/2/18, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Question about Avaccheda vada
 To: "Aditya Kumar" <kumaraditya22 at yahoo.com>
 Cc: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "H S Chandramouli" <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
 Date: Friday, 9 February, 2018, 3:30 PM
 On Fri,
 Feb 9, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Aditya Kumar <kumaraditya22 at yahoo.com>
  The term upadhi does not have any
  negative connotation. It only shows Nirguna Brahman as
  someone with certain attributes, visheshas. NB with
  shuddha sattva as upadhi is Ishwara. It need not and
  not limit Ishwara. 
 A: But can trigunatmika maya be found in NB? If there
 is guna, then there is karma and hence the cycle of samsara.
 So ishwara is also a samsarin?
 It cannot be 'found' in NB.
 The shaastra 'makes' an Ishwara out of NB and Maya.
 This is for a purpose.  
  In fact he is admitted to be Sarva
  Shakta and Sarvajna. The mahavakya 'Tat tvam
  straightaway means 'tat = the jagatkaaranam which
  omniscient and omnipotent. tvam is the jiva who is
  samsari, etc.  Since 'asi', identity cannot
  the upadhis on both sides are negated. What remains is
  consciousness. Thus the identity. So, both jivatva and
  Ishwaratva are negated. 
 A: No confusion here. But the
 key is, it is the jiva who is superimposing karanatvam on
 tat and as such tat itself is free from all
 It is the shaastra that superimposes
 kaaranatvam on Tat. This is called 'adhyaropa.  The
 apavada is 'no jaati, no creation.'

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