[Advaita-l] 'iti' in the vAcArambhaNa shruti

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

True. In local languages sometimes they will say a useless person is like
raw lump of Clay. Someone has to take that raw lump and make something
useful like a Pot. But Adi Sankara is challenging this Vyavaharika
usefulness. The Vyavaharika usefulness of Pot is Mithya. It cannot be
ultimate reality. Therefore the Pot is not better than raw Clay lump. It is
Mithya. Both are only Clay in the end. Same logic is used for World and
Vyavahara.

2018-02-14 20:24 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:

> In the Taittiriya bhashya for the word 'satyam' Shankara says, in
> conclusion:
>
> सत्यादिशब्दा न परस्परं सम्बध्यन्ते, परार्थत्वात् ; विशेष्यार्था हि ते । अत
> एव एकैको विशेषणशब्दः परस्परं निरपेक्षो ब्रह्मशब्देन सम्बध्यते - सत्यं
> ब्रह्म ज्ञानं ब्रह्म अनन्तं ब्रह्मेति । सत्यमिति यद्रूपेण यन्निश्चितं
> तद्रूपं न व्यभिचरति, तत्सत्यम् । यद्रूपेण यन्निश्चितं तद्रूपं व्यभिचरति,
> तदनृतमित्युच्यते । अतो विकारोऽनृतम् , ‘ वाचारम्भणं विकारो नामधेयं
> मृत्तिकेत्येव सत्यम्’ (छा. उ. ६ । १ । ४)
> <http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/display/bhashya/
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> >
>  एवं सदेव सत्यमित्यवधारणात् । अतः ‘सत्यं ब्रह्म’ इति ब्रह्म
> विकारान्निवर्तयति ।
>
> Here Shankara establishes the mithyatva of the karyam by citing the very
> Chandogya mantra 'vaachaarambhanam....' which contains the word satyam and
> the vikara as mere name. Shankara calls that which is not satyam, that is,
> that which transforms, vikara, as anrtam.  Anrtam in advaita means mithya.
> सत्यानृते मिथुनीकृत्य...of the adhyasa bhashya.
>
> regards
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 11:53 AM, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > << Is the word 'iti' in the vAcArambhaNa shruti ignored in shankara
> > > bhAShya? >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > << and use this mantra as a basis to argue for
> > > the mithyAtva of the world >>,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  I do not think Sri Bhagavatpada uses this mantra as a basis for the
> > > mithyatva of the world.  As Venkatraghavan Ji himself has pointed out
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > << The sixth chapter of ChAndogya starts with a question - येनाश्रुतं
> > > श्रुतं
> > > भवत्यमतं मतमविज्ञातं विज्ञातमिति - What is that thing, hearing which,
> > > everything unheard is heard, thinking which, everything unthought is
> > > thought, and knowing which, everything unknown is known? >>.
> > >
> >
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Regards

-Venkatesh