[Advaita-l] A seminal Truth explained by Bhagavan Ramana

Raghav Kumar Dwivedula raghavkumar00 at gmail.com
Sat May 12 23:16:42 EDT 2018

Namaste Subbu ji
Thank you for highlighting an important distinction.

When this distinction between vRtti and svarUpa GYAnam is not fully
understood or accepted, then the idea arises of the *need* to indefinitely
keep *practising* the vRtti. And so it can then be argued that even an
exalted GYAnI (assuming some degree of assimilation of GYAnam as per some
scheme or the other like the sapta bhUmikA scheme, let's say) may fall or
have a 'cyuti' from GYAnam if he is not vigilant. On the other hand if the
shAstra based idea of jivanmukti is totally accepted, then we have to admit
the possibility that there are atleast some like Sri Ramana Maharshi who
have totally become one with that svarUpa GYAnam. For them there is no


On Sun 13 May, 2018, 8:07 AM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> A seminal Truth explained by Bhagavan Ramana
> Q: Will there be knowledge in the liberated state?
> Ramana:  If there is no knowledge that is called sleep. Only if there is
> knowledge it is the liberated state. But then, this knowledge is not the
> one that occurs due to knower-known objectivity. It is Full Knowledge,
> Purna Jnanam. There are two meanings for 'knowledge': 1. vaachyaartham - is
> vrtti jnana and 2. Lakshyaartham is (svarupa) jnanam.
> The above clarification of Bhagavan goes a long way in settling this doubt
> that plagues many a seeker of the Advaita path. Brahman, that is what the
> seeker is, is called Jnanam by the Taittiriya Upanishad: Satyam, Jnanam,
> Anantam.  The Brihadaranyaka calls it 'Vijnanam Anandam'. Thus, the svarupa
> of the seeker is this Svarupa Jnanam. Liberation is to know that one is
> this svarupa jnanam.  This occurs through the vritti jnanam 'aham brahma
> asmi.'  The vritti rises and lapses and does not stay after the body of the
> Jnani is gone, for there is no apparatus to either generate it or maintain
> it. But what exists forever is the Svarupam that is Brahman.
> Om Tat Sat
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