[Advaita-l] The Foundations of Adhyāsa - 8 (The Three States)

[V Subrahmanian]

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 1:52 PM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 12:46 PM H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 11:26 PM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> << Since the realization 'I am all', sarvoham' arises ONLY by the
>> falsification of the objective world, mithyatva nishchaya', the above
>> Mantra and Bhashya is the proof of the Jnani relizing even in dream that
>> the world is mithya. >>.
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>> I am not so sure. I think what the mantra and bhashya are stating is that
>> in the dream state also, the jnAni dreams that he is a jnAni and not that
>> he is being chased by elephants etc which the ajnAnIs normally dream. The
>> mantra and bhashya do not state that the jnAni is aware of the dream to be
>> unreal when he is in the dream state.
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> Actually, as an afterthought, it occurred to me that the above
> understanding could arise from my post. I did not imply that the Jnani will
> be aware of the dream 'as dream' as contrasted from waking. We do encounter
> Jnanis also talking of their dream experiences. What is taught in the
> Bhashya is that the Jnani will continue to experience his sarvatmabhava in
> the dream too.  This happens only on 'baadhaayaam saamaanaadhikaranyam'.
> This implies that, as in the waking, that he perceives the dream
> objects/events even while in the dream, as unreal, as he would do in the
> waking.
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> Says Shankara  in the Manisha panchakam:
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>  ब्रह्मैवाहमिदं जगच्च सकलं चिन्मात्रविस्तारितं सर्वं चैतदविद्यया
> त्रिगुणयाशेषं मया कल्पितम् ।
> इत्थं यस्य दृढा मतिः सुखतरे नित्ये परे निर्मले चण्डालोस्तु स तु द्विजोस्तु
> गुरुरित्येषा मनीषा मम॥
>

BGB 13.26:
इत्यनेन निरस्तसर्वोपाधिविशेषं ज्ञेयं ब्रह्मस्वरूपेण यः पश्यति, क्षेत्रं च
मायानिर्मितहस्तिस्वप्नदृष्टवस्तुगन्धर्वनगरादिवत् ‘असदेव सदिव अवभासते’ इति
एवं निश्चितविज्ञानः यः, तस्य यथोक्तसम्यग्दर्शनविरोधात् अपगच्छति
मिथ्याज्ञानम्………

BGB 2.16:

। त्वमपि तत्त्वदर्शिनां दृष्टिमाश्रित्य शोकं मोहं च हित्वा शीतोष्णादीनि
नियतानियतरूपाणि द्वन्द्वानि ‘विकारोऽयमसन्नेव मरीचिजलवन्मिथ्यावभासते’ इति
मनसि निश्चित्य तितिक्षस्व इत्यभिप्रायः………

http://talkandcomment.com/p/150bbd9466bf42cea265dbb6 (voice note)



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