[Advaita-l] MOKSHA or MUKTI - Does Jnaani has Raga-Dweshas?
kuntimaddi sadananda
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com
Wed Feb 13 07:55:20 EST 2019
PraNAms
I get the feeling there is some mix up of reference states.
Jeevan Mukta can play the game of life while established in the knowledge that is only a game of life and from the point of the absolute point is he being pure sat chit ananda is all in all - sarva bhutastam aatmaanam sarva buutanicha aatmani.
While transacting using BMI, he will play the role of a jeeva and the raga-dweshas embedded in the BMI will enact as they are habituated to do.
Krishna did exhibit the raaga dweshas while being a jnaani. He knows they belong to the BMI and not to HIM.prakRityavacha karmaani kriyamaanaani sarvashaha -All actions are done by the Prakriti only and he is not a doer - akartaarama sa pasyati. I am never a doer.
Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi got very agree with people when they cut too many mango leaves for decoration during festival time. He must have felt the pain of the Mango tree.
Mahatmaas do get angry when their disciples misbehave - needed to set them straight. This is part of the games of life one has to play as long as one is on the stage with a costume of BMI.
If Buffet meals are being served, a Jeevan Mukta also takes what his BMI likes and rejects what it does not like.
In essence, he knows he is not BMI but BMI is needed to transact in the world and there are remnant vasanaas that keep the BMI going!
Thermodynamically one cannot reach zero raaga dweshas as long as BMI is there!
In essence - Jeevan Mukta has no raaga-dweshsas and Jeevan Mukta has remnant raaga-dweshas - Both statements are correct - as long as one understands from what reference the statement is made.
Same goes when we say avidya is located on Brahman yet from Brahman point there is no avidya.
Krishna makes two statements which are contradictory.
mastaani sarva bhuutani ... and in the very next sloka He says - na cha mastaani bhuutani. Both statements are correct if we understand the corresponding reference states.
My 2c
Hari Om!Sadananda
On Wednesday, February 13, 2019, 5:56:19 PM GMT+5:30, Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
<< This state is in the primary sense what is termed mOksha or kaivalya or vAishNavapada in advaita sidhanta >>,
In addition, the more familiar terms like jIvanmukta/sthitaprajna etc could be included.
praNAms Sri ChandramouLi prabhuji
Hare Krishna
Yes, that would be the more appropriate terms to define sadyO mukta. paramArtha jnani / Atmaikatva jnani and resultant mukti. This type of jnana & mukti is -sva-hrudaya pratyaya ( no interval between these two as far as I am concerned) and no one should question it and doubt it says bhAshyakAra in sUtra bhAshya. And adds that to show is there is explanation about sthita prajna. Now the question is the sthita prajna or the Atmaikatva paripUrNa jnAni while living in his current shareera (ofcourse the shareera due to prArabdha) could get vrutti-s like rAga-dvesha due to leftovers of avidyA ?? I don’t think in Geeta bhAshya where sthita prajnatvaM explained comprehensively would throw any light about oscillation of sthita prajnn’s mind due to avidyA lesha. OTOH it has been said there : rasavarjaM rasOpyasya, paraM drushvA nivartate, rAga-dveshaviyuktaistu vishAnindriyaischaran…And this is what brAhmee sthitiH says bhagavAn. Anyways, I am not debating your stand here, just expressing my doubt.
Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar
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