[Advaita-l] MOKSHA or MUKTI - Does Jnaani has Raga-Dweshas?

[kuntimaddi sadananda]

Chandramouliji - I should have used the word -apparently contradictory.
Hari OmSadananda

 

   On Wednesday, February 13, 2019, 6:50:36 PM GMT+5:30, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote: 
 
 Pranams Sri Sadananda Ji,

A quick initial response.

Reg  << Krishna makes two statements which are contradictory.
mastaani sarva bhuutani ... and in the very next sloka He says - na cha
mastaani bhuutani. Both statements are correct if we understand the
corresponding reference states >>,

They are not contradictory statements. All it means is that the two should
be taken together to get a proper understanding of what is stated.
Conclusions should not be drawn takeing them singly and independantly.

Regards

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 6:25 PM kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> PraNAms
> I get the feeling there is some mix up of reference states.
> Jeevan Mukta can play the game of life while established in the knowledge
> that is only a game of life and from the point of the absolute point is he
> being pure sat chit ananda is all in all - sarva bhutastam aatmaanam sarva
> buutanicha aatmani.
> While transacting using BMI, he will play the role of a jeeva and the
> raga-dweshas embedded in the BMI will enact as they are habituated to do.
> Krishna did exhibit the raaga dweshas while being a jnaani. He knows they
> belong to the BMI and not to HIM.prakRityavacha karmaani kriyamaanaani
> sarvashaha -All actions are done by the Prakriti only and he is not a doer
> - akartaarama sa pasyati. I am never a doer.
> Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi got very agree with people when they cut too many
> mango leaves for decoration during festival time.  He must have felt the
> pain of the Mango tree.
> Mahatmaas do get angry when their disciples misbehave - needed to set them
> straight. This is part of the games of life one has to play as long as one
> is on the stage with a costume of BMI.
> If Buffet meals are being served, a Jeevan Mukta also takes what his BMI
> likes and rejects what it does not like.
> In essence, he knows he is not BMI but BMI is needed to transact in the
> world and there are remnant vasanaas that keep the BMI going!
> Thermodynamically one cannot reach zero raaga dweshas as long as BMI is
> there!
> In essence - Jeevan Mukta has no raaga-dweshsas and Jeevan Mukta has
> remnant raaga-dweshas - Both statements are correct - as long as one
> understands from what reference the statement is made.
> Same goes when we say avidya is located on Brahman yet from Brahman point
> there is no avidya.
> Krishna makes two statements which are contradictory.
> mastaani sarva bhuutani ... and in the very next sloka He says - na cha
> mastaani bhuutani. Both statements are correct if we understand the
> corresponding reference states.
> My 2c
> Hari Om!Sadananda
>
>    On Wednesday, February 13, 2019, 5:56:19 PM GMT+5:30, Bhaskar YR via
> Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>  << This state is in the primary sense what is termed mOksha or kaivalya
> or vAishNavapada in advaita sidhanta  >>,
>
> In addition, the more familiar terms like jIvanmukta/sthitaprajna etc
> could be included.
>
> praNAms Sri ChandramouLi prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
>
> Yes, that would be the more appropriate terms to define sadyO mukta.
> paramArtha jnani / Atmaikatva jnani  and resultant mukti.  This type of
> jnana & mukti  is -sva-hrudaya pratyaya ( no interval between these two as
> far as I am concerned) and no one should question it and doubt it says
> bhAshyakAra in sUtra bhAshya.  And adds that to show is there is
> explanation about sthita prajna.  Now the question is the sthita prajna or
> the Atmaikatva paripUrNa jnAni while living in his current shareera
> (ofcourse the shareera due to prArabdha)  could get vrutti-s like
> rAga-dvesha due to leftovers of avidyA ??  I don’t think in Geeta bhAshya
> where sthita prajnatvaM explained comprehensively would throw any light
> about oscillation of sthita prajnn’s mind due to avidyA lesha.  OTOH it has
> been said there : rasavarjaM rasOpyasya, paraM drushvA nivartate,
> rAga-dveshaviyuktaistu vishAnindriyaischaran…And this is what brAhmee
> sthitiH says bhagavAn.  Anyways, I am not debating your stand here, just
> expressing my doubt.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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