[Advaita-l] REFERENCES FROM VARIOUS PURANAS, UPANISHADS, SASTRAS WHERE VISHNU, RAMA, KRISHNA DON BHASMA TRIPUNDRA AND VISHNU IS A PARAMA SHIVA BHAKTA

[Srinath Vedagarbha]

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 4:47 AM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 7:15 AM Srinath Vedagarbha <svedagarbha at gmail.com>
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>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 9:38 AM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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>>> IshvarAnugrahAdeva pumsAm advaitavAsanA...
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>> Who exactly you mean by 'Ishvara' here?
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>> Do you mean Isharava as saguNa brahman? or do you mean Ishvara as a
>> kshatriya king (following Shankara's reading of gIta verse 'IshvarOaham...'
>> )?
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>> If it is former, do not forget Shankara said Ishvara is only for
>> upAsanartham and not real. Such illusory Ishrvara cannot bestow anything to
>> anybody, let alone advaita vaasana. On the contrary if you disagree that
>> Ishvara is illusory, then there is no question of advaita anymore let alone
>> its vaasana to be bestowed on anybody.
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> Shankara has said: स्यात्परमेश्वरस्यापि इच्छावशात् मायामयं रूपं
> साधकानुग्रहार्थम् । (1.1.vii.20) (Ishwara, out of compassion, takes on, *by
> His Maya*, a form to grace the spiritual aspirant.)
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> [The context in the BSB is that Brahman is devoid of any form but takes up
> forms to help the aspirant.  In the Kenopanishad bhashya too Shankara lists
> several deities Vishnu, Ishvara, Indra, Prana, etc. as upasya as Brahman]
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Do not forget -- NB is both nirAkAra and nirviShEsha -- Brahman is devoid
of any form but may takes up forms, but he cannot have any guNa of "out of
compassion" (sic). Also NB is nIShkriya  so as you to speak "to grace" etc.


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> Thus, upasana, anugraha, etc. in the realm of vyvaharika is quite valid.
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But such vyavahArika Ishwara is upAsanArtham and not real. Hence he cannot
possibly have any real action of "to grace the spiritual aspirant".

You are mixing vyavahara with paramArtha by saying two terms "Ishwara"
(which is vyvahAra) with "advaitavAsanA" (which is pAramArthika)

/sv