[Advaita-l] Is the eternity and apaurusheyatva of Vedas a mere belief

[KAMESWARARAO MULA]

Dear Sir,                 We have to see the time periods also to be taken into consideration before we makes any conclusion.
When we say that the Vedas are apaurusheya, are the words (and syllables) in the veda along with the swaras apaurusheya themselves or is the taatparya apaurusheya?

Veda's only Apaurusheya definitely not the Taatparya.
It is simply due to the fact, first you take the Satya yuga, the first 3 avatara's of vishnu i.e Matsya, Kurma & varaha. In all these there is mention, how the veda's are protected from demons which means veda's exists before the satya yuga and there is no time scale which we can tell that they belongs to this time.
The quote examples (e.g., Janaka)  by you are are from Tretayuga being the site's father.
The earliest accounts of Matsya as a fish-saviour equates him with the Vedic deity Prajapati. The fish-savior later merges with the identity of Brahma in post-Vedic era.

Apart from this, The earliest account of Kurma is found in the Shatapatha Brahmana (Yajur veda), where he is a form of Prajapati- Brahmma and helps with the Samudra Manthan  (churning of cosmic ocean).he Kurma avatar,  then transforms into Mohini  to seduce the demons. They all fall for her. They ask her to take the nectar, please be their wife and distribute it between them one by one. Mohini-Vishnu takes the pot of nectar and gives it to the gods, thus preventing evil from becoming eternal, and preserving the goodwhen the demon Hiranyaksha  tormented the earth and its inhabitants, Bhudeevi sinks into the oceanic waters ( due to absence of sun or some demonic activities) . Vishnu took the form of the Varaha, descended into the depths of the oceans to rescue her. Varaha slew the demon and retrieved the Earth and as well as the Veda's from the ocean, lifting her on his tusks, and restored Bhudevi to her place in the universe.

So I think Aapaureshya Veda's exsists before the time scale started.
Sri Guru Padaravindarpana MastuKameswara




    On Saturday, 8 June 2019 4:27:25 am IST, Sriram Sankaranarayanan via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:  
 
 Namaskarams,



When we say that the Vedas are apaurusheya, are the words (and syllables) in the veda along with the swaras apaurusheya themselves or is the taatparya apaurusheya?



For example, if Vedas talk about Yagnyavalkya having a conversation in Janaka's court or with Maitreyi, shouldn't it mean that those passages did not exist at the time of Yagnyavalkya? And after Yagnyavalkya had those discussions, the passages arose?



Or if the passages are eternal, then do we consider that Yagnyavalkya, Maitreyi and Janaka mentioned in the vedas are fictional and are mentioned only to give us the knowledge of the Brahman?



Namaskarams

Sriram



P.S. I am an early level student, asking this due to lack of appropriate knowledge. Please pardon any error from me.


On June 7, 2019 at 12:45 PM, Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:


What an exceptional write-up by Shri Chittaranjan Naik ji.

Grateful.

Regards.
Sudhanshu.

On Fri 7 Jun, 2019, 21:06 Venkateswaran N E via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:


The full details of arguments for apaurusheyatva of veda by Chittaranjan
Naik is available here.


http://www.atmabodha.org/2013/09/apaurusheyatva-of-vedas.html?m=1



Regards
Venkateswaran


On Fri 7 Jun, 2019, 5:02 PM Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:


> praNAms Sri Sudhanshu Shekar prabhuji
>
> Do you feel that that our belief that Vedas are apaurusheya is
reasonable?
>
> > if you search the archives there was discussion about this topic. One
> Sri Omkar Deshpande prabhuji and Sri Chittaranjan Naik discussed this
topic
> comprehensively. If I am right Sri chitta prabhuji said, pUrva
meemAsaka-s
> have most reasonable logic to prove apaurusheyatva of veda-s. But it has
> been well countered by Sri Omkar Deshpande. I think the discussion is
> available somewhere in advaitin list. And dvaitins also very sound logic
> to defend this apaurusheyatva of veda-s.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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