[Advaita-l] No Parinama in Brahman says Shankara Bhagavatpada

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Bhaskar ji,

How does replacing avidyA by MAyA helps. It does not help one bit. What is
Ananya? Not different, right. If MAyA is not different from Brahman, then
the activity of MAyA is same as activity of Brahman. Even the cropping up
of upAdhi, so as to make upAdhi-drishti and svarupa-drishti possible, is
against the nishkriyatva of Brahman. No matter how many words are used, the
very fact that there is something going on AND there is nothing except
Brahman, is against nishkriyatva.

To say that there is something vyAvahArika and PArmArthika is again against
nishkriyatva. How does vyAvahArika crops up. Same problem. Problem can be
resolved only if vyAvhArika is hare's horn. MithyAtva does not help. And
vyAvhArika is obviously not hare's horn.

So problem persists unless we say that we will eventually understand this
when we will attain purity of mind.

Sudhanshu



On Wed 26 Jun, 2019, 09:54 Bhaskar YR, <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

> praNAms Sri Sudhanshu prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
>
> Whether it is "gold appearing as ornament" or "bangle converting into gold"
> -- there is activity. And that is against nishkriyatva.
>
> >  Your observation is quite logical and needs attention.  Yes, there
> needs to be some activity to accept the creation (whether it is vivarta or
> pariNAma) hence Advaita when talking about brahma kArya (activity) jagat it
> brings in apara brahma, when there is talk about nishkriya brahman it
> directly talks about parabrahma.  Kindly look at sUtra bhAshya 4.3.14.  Now
> the question, is this aparabrahman/ saguNa brahman/sOpAdhika brahman/kArya
> brahman something different from parabrahman??  The obvious answer is big
> NO, why??  Because, sadeva Soumya idamagra asit, ekamevAdviteeyaM clarifies
> shruti.
>
> I understand that the standard answer would be -- from the point of view
> of gold, there is no activity. But from the point of view of gold, there is
> no ornament itself.
>
> >  I would like to read this as :  from the point of view of gold ( can
> the brahman has the point of view!!??  Just wondering 😊 ) there is no
> activity since the socalled ornament (nAma rUpa kArya) is nothing but gold
> (kAraNa) We may take note of the upAdhi drushti and svarUpa drushti as well
> here to understand how jagat is nothing but brahman but brahman is not
> jagat.  When the ornament seen as ornament it is upAdhi drushti (parichinna
> drushti) but when the same ornament seen as gold then it is svarUpa
> drushti.  Since there is no independent existence of ornament apart from
> gold, kArya 'as it is' anrutam but the same kArya is satyaM when it is
> viewed from its svarUpa drushti.  bhAshyakAra explains this in chAndOgya :
> sarvaM cha nAmarUpAdi sadAtmanaiva satyaM vikArajAtaM svatastu anrutaM eva,
> ... From the realization of sAmAnya behind all these vishesha-s only we can
> find the answer to the question : kasminnu bhagavO vijnAte sarvamidaM
> vijnAtaM bhavati ??  he is the abhinna nimittOpadAna kAraNa of this jagat
> hence the shruti statement : sarvaM khalvidaM brahma, sarvaM brahmamayaM
> jagat.
>
> The problem is -- gold CANNOT appear as ornament unless there is space
> which is different from gold. Brahman CANNOT appear as world unless there
> is something different from Brahman. A singular object cannot appear as
> anything else. And that is not possible in advaita.
>
> >  it has been called as mAya (not avidyA atleast in my Advaita dictionary
> though popularly floating theory is avidyA = mAya ) the shakti of brahman
> which is  brahmAnanya.  That which has been  called as mUla prakruti (again
> it is not mUlAvidyA which is an unwanted contribution by later
> vyAkhyAnakAra-s to shankarAdvaita) that is the brahma.  ( yA mUlaprakrutiH
> abhyupagamyate tadeva cha nO brahma)  says sUtra bhAshya.  This mUla
> prakruti / shakti / mAya is the svarUpa of brahman hence lord in Geeta
> affectionately says : mama svarUpabhUtA madeeya mAyA.  I just wonder what
> would have been the result had I replaced the word mAya with avidyA here 😊
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
>