[Advaita-l] No Parinama in Brahman says Shankara Bhagavatpada

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Venkataraghavan ji,

What do you mean by "it is denied"? If the appearance and the seer is
hare's horn, then it is not possible because hare's horn cannot have even
an appearance. If the appearance and seer are mithyA i.e.
sat-asat-vilakshaNa, then it implies change. There is no appearance without
involving change. Just by saying "it is denied" in siddhAnta, the objection
of existence of change is not obviated.

I am surprised that people do not have this problem. May be I am really a
manda-dhi with lot of impurity of mind.

Sudhanshu.


On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:32 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sudhanshuji,
> Even the explanation that it is an appearance only a provisional one. It
> is merely a step to get the student to accept that the world is not real.
> So don't take it as siddhAnta. It's only if you believe it is the ultimate
> reality will the question "how did the appearance come about in the absence
> of change" will arise.
>
> The appearance of the world and the seer who sees that appearance, are
> also part of the  world which is being denied.
>
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
>
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2019, 08:46 Sudhanshu Shekhar, <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Venkataraghavan ji,
>>
>> Can appearance come about without change? There are two things.
>> Changeless and appearance which is sought to be stated as non-existent. How
>> even the appearance can come about without change. And that change cannot
>> be of the appearance because appearance is a result of change.
>>
>> I think I have explained my problem quite clearly. I have broken my head
>> over this issue for years without any convincing solution.
>>
>> Sudhanshu.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:10 PM Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes Bhaskar ji. This is the ajAti vAda of mANDUkya kArika.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Venkatraghavan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 8:23 AM Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> praNAms
>>>>
>>>> Hare Krishna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reminds me kArika 2-32, na nirOdhO na chOtpattiH, there is neither
>>>> creation nor dissolution, ……this is the whole truth ityesha paramArthA
>>>> 😊  To realize the changeless I reckon we cling to only neti neti
>>>> supporting shruti and bhAshya vAkya-s.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>>>>
>>>> bhaskar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 6) There is no world.
>>>>
>>>> 7) There is no creator.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What remains? That is the thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>

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