[Advaita-l] On the need for the jivanmukta to "act"
H S Chandramouli
hschandramouli at gmail.com
Fri Mar 8 07:29:44 EST 2019
Namaste Sri Bhaskar Ji,
We have discussed on several occasions what Realization means and what is
the state of a jnAni postRealization. Unfortunately our views do not
Reg << when there is acceptance there is astitvaM (existence / satyatvaM)
where is the question of sOpAdhika bhrAnti in realization ?? Kindly
To repeat, in my understanding, world does not disappear from perception
for a jnAni. He perceives it, but understands it as bhrAnti, sOpAdhika
bhrAnti. Perception will last, generally speaking, as long as upAdhi,
namely BMI, lasts.
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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 5:46 PM Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
> praNAms Sri ChandramouLi prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
> Perhaps you may not agree with me and Sri Jaldhar prabhuji may share his
> thoughts as well. In the meantime kindly allow me to share my thoughts :
> << Because the worlds themselves are also Brahman. There is nothing that
> is not Brahman. So the process of realizing the self is not a subtractive
> but an additive one. In other words the goal is not to destroy the
> world-appearance but to encompass and extend it >>,
> Perhaps not exactly. Worlds experienced as निरुपाधिकभ्रान्ति
> (nirupAdhikabhrAnti ) (prior to Realization) appears as सोपाधिकभ्रा॔ति
> (sOpAdhikabhrAnti) on Realization, involving two “entities” namely the
> नामरूपात्मक (nAmarUpAtmaka) world and Brahman.
> > You mean to say 'after' realization there will be two entities namely
> world and brahman ( sOpAdhika bhrAnti) ?? If yes, then I am not sure what
> exactly the meaning of 'realization' in this context of your statement when
> still bhrAnti holds sway. OTOH, bhAshyakAra quite categoricaly says :
> pUrvaM avidyayA asarva Asit punaH vidyayA avidyApanaye sarvO bhavati. In
> short, that which is anAtma, asarva prior to realization becomes
> AtmaikatvaM, asarvaM bhavati sarvaM. So,
> On Realization, the नामरूपात्मक (nAmarUpAtmaka) aspect constituting the
> worlds is rejected (destroyed, cognitively)
> > No, nAmarUpAtmaka aspect of worlds will not be rejected it has been
> embraced as sarvaM and it is no more asarvaM as clarified by Sri Jaldhar
> prabhuji, it is not a subtractive (rejection) but an all-encompassing
> paripUrNa drushti or AtmaikatvaM, dvandva rahita saMyak drushti. After
> realizing ring, bangle nothing but gold, we donot reject ring, bangle, we
> reject (deny) the 'separate' existence of ring and bangle apart from gold
> and accept them as gold only. sarvaM cha nAmarUpAdi sadAtmanaiva satyaM
> vikArajAtaM 'svatastu' anrutameva. Further bhAshyakAra clarifies :
> kArAkArOpi kAraNasya AtmabhUta eva anAtmabhUtasya anArabhatvAt. Just we
> cannot have the ring, bangle nAma rUpa when there is no gold in it.
> leaving (cognitively) ONLY the अस्तिभातिप्रिया (astibhAtipriyA) aspect
> pertaining to Brahman.
> > when there is acceptance there is astitvaM (existence / satyatvaM)
> where is the question of sOpAdhika bhrAnti in realization ?? Kindly
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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