[Advaita-l] What If Time Is an Illusion?
H S Chandramouli
hschandramouli at gmail.com
Wed Mar 13 03:24:21 EDT 2019
Namaste Sri Bhaskar Ji,
Reg << Recollection of sushupti experience is NOT the experience
experienced in sushupti per se but vAsana-s of that experience by
vaishvAnara ( Vishwa). So, Vishwa, the waker, after termination of sleep,
just for few seconds here recalling the vAsana-s (impressions) arising out
of brahmAnanda in sushupti >>,
Not necessarily in my view. Sushupti could well be followed by dream state
rather than waking state. So I would understand that sushupti is followed
by an interval when mind is functional, but no other vishaya vrittis
have arisen. Only the impressions(vAsanAs) of the immediately preceding
BrahmAnanda experience persist. This is experienced by the mind through its
vritti. Triputi is present. This experience is what is recollected by
Vishwa on waking. Hence I prefer to understand that state as an extension
of sushupti itself. Reminds of the ** ubhayataH ** state mentioned in
Mandukya verse 7.
Reg << And further, apart from paNchadashi if any other bhAshya
reference which could come close to this conclusion may kindly be shared
I cannot recollect any offhand since I have not specifically looked for
it. I shall certainly revert back if I come across any.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 5:38 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> Namaste Sri Bhaskar Ji,
> You have quoted Sri SSS << Atmanu Anandamayanu >> which perhaps is
> intended to be translated as << Atma is full with Ananda >>. But the
> answer to your question
> << Now the question that needs to be looked into is, how vAsana-s created
> in sushupti when there is no primary vrutti since karaNa-s (upAdhi-s) and
> vishaya-s both are in upashAnta sthiti >>
> happens to be << Anadamaya >>, understood a s Anandamaya Atma. Also
> referred to by the term PrAjna in Mandukya while referring to jIva.
> The definition of Anandamaya Atma is given in PD 11- 64
> << सुप्तिपूर्वक्षणे बुद्धिवृत्तिर्या सुखबिंबिता ।
> सैव तद्बिंबसहिता लीनानंदमयस्ततः ॥ >>
> << suptipUrvakShaNe buddhivRRittiryA sukhabiMbitA |
> saiva tadbiMbasahitA lInAnaMdamayastataH || >>.
> I leave the translation part. It is best to refer to PD itself for
> details. I only want to confirm that the question has been answered
> positively in the text. This is the Anandamaya referred to in Mandukya
> verse 5.
> Reg << When there is no vishesha darshana how can a resultant vAsana be
> created to recall in waking?? >>,
> << Here I think I need the elaboration, vAsanAnada which is an impression
> of bliss but not the product of anything else >>,
> What is enjoyed is not vishaya which leads to vishesha darshana. It is
> svarUpa which is experienced in its aspect as Ananda very similar to but
> not to the same extent what a jnAni enjoys on Realization..
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:39 PM Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
>> praNAms Sri Chandramouli prabhuji
>> Hare Krishna
>> The experience of Sushupti recollected by the waker (Vishwa as you term
>> it) on waking is NOT the experience DURING Sushupti . It is the
>> recollection of the impressions (vAsanAs) of his experience DURING
>> Sushupti which persist for a short duration immediately following
>> Sushupti. The process is elaborated as follows. For convenience, copying
>> from a book by Sri TMP Mahadevan on Panchadashi , relevant portion
>> << An examination of the moment immediately succeeding the termination
>> of sleep gives us intimation of the Brahman-bliss experienced during sleep
>> ; or there is then the persistence of residual impression of Brahman-bliss
>> which is borne out by the fact that a person who has just got up from sleep
>> remains calm and happy without any thought of external objects >>.
>> In brief this is how the experience of happiness and nescience in sleep
>> by the Anandamaya self is transferred to the VignAnamaya self and
>> recollected later by Vishwa on waking. Reference to Panchadashi directly
>> would be very useful.
>> - Very interesting observation in panchadashi. Recollection of
>> sushupti experience is NOT the experience experienced in sushupti per se
>> but vAsana-s of that experience by vaishvAnara ( Vishwa). So, Vishwa, the
>> waker, after termination of sleep, just for few seconds here recalling the
>> vAsana-s (impressions) arising out of brahmAnanda in sushupti. Now the
>> question that needs to be looked into is, how vAsana-s created in sushupti
>> when there is no primary vrutti since karaNa-s (upAdhi-s) and vishaya-s
>> both are in upashAnta sthiti. When there is no vishesha darshana how can a
>> resultant vAsana be created to recall in waking?? There is a valid reason
>> for doubting this position, bhAshyakAra says : tEna na pruthktvena
>> vyavasthitAni karaNAni vishyAscha, tat abhAvAt vishesha darshanaM nAsti.
>> Sri SSS says sushupti is the state where there is not even an iota of
>> vishaya vAsane. ( gaadha nidre yembudu vishaya vAsane ellada pUrNAnandada
>> sthiti adakke A avastheyalli Atmanu Anandamayanu, prajnAnaghananu vishesha
>> rahitanu Agiruttaane).
>> Swami Vidyaranya also thereby brings out the difference between
>> VishayAnanda ( happiness brought about by objects) which is only a
>> semblance of bliss, and vAsanAnanda which is an impression of bliss which
>> is not the product of anything else.
>> - Here I think I need the elaboration, vAsanAnada which is an
>> impression of bliss but not the product of anything else. vAsana created
>> by Ananda in the state of ekatvaM where vishaya & upAdhi both are totally
>> subdued but still there is a recollection of vAsana by the Vishwa
>> (vaishwAnara / waker’s mind).
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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