[Advaita-l] What If Time Is an Illusion?

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Sri Bhaskar Ji,

You have quoted Sri SSS  << Atmanu Anandamayanu >>  which perhaps is
intended to be translated as  << Atma is full with Ananda >>. But the
answer to your question

<< Now the question that needs to be looked into is, how vAsana-s created
in sushupti when there is no primary vrutti since karaNa-s (upAdhi-s) and
vishaya-s both are in upashAnta sthiti >>

happens to be  << Anadamaya >>,  understood a s  Anandamaya Atma.  Also
referred to by the term PrAjna in Mandukya while referring to jIva.

The definition of Anandamaya Atma is given in PD 11- 64

<< सुप्तिपूर्वक्षणे बुद्धिवृत्तिर्या  सुखबिंबिता ।

  सैव तद्बिंबसहिता लीनानंदमयस्ततः ॥ >>

<< suptipUrvakShaNe buddhivRRittiryA  sukhabiMbitA |

  saiva tadbiMbasahitA lInAnaMdamayastataH || >>.

I leave the translation part. It is best to refer to PD itself for details.
I only want to confirm that the question has been answered positively in
the text. This is the Anandamaya referred to in Mandukya verse 5.

Reg  << When there is no vishesha darshana how can a resultant vAsana be
created to recall in waking??  >>,

and

<< Here I think I need the elaboration, vAsanAnada which is an impression
of bliss but not the product of anything else >>,

What is enjoyed is not vishaya   which leads to vishesha darshana. It is
svarUpa which is experienced in its aspect as Ananda  very similar to but
not to the same extent what a jnAni enjoys on Realization..

Regards

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:39 PM Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

> praNAms Sri Chandramouli prabhuji
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> Hare Krishna
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> The experience of Sushupti recollected by the waker (Vishwa as you term
> it) on waking is NOT the experience DURING Sushupti . It is the
> recollection of the impressions (vAsanAs) of his experience DURING
> Sushupti  which persist for a short duration immediately following
> Sushupti. The process  is elaborated as follows.  For convenience, copying
> from a book by Sri TMP Mahadevan  on Panchadashi , relevant portion
>
> << An examination of the moment immediately succeeding the termination of
> sleep gives us intimation of the Brahman-bliss experienced during sleep ;
> or there is then the persistence of residual impression of Brahman-bliss
> which is borne out by the fact that a person who has just got up from sleep
> remains calm and happy without any thought of external objects >>.
>
> In brief this is how the experience of happiness and nescience in sleep
> by the Anandamaya self is transferred to the VignAnamaya self  and
> recollected later by Vishwa on waking.  Reference to Panchadashi  directly
> would be very useful.
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>    - Very interesting observation in panchadashi.  Recollection of
>    sushupti experience  is NOT the experience experienced in sushupti  per se
>    but vAsana-s of that experience by vaishvAnara ( Vishwa).  So, Vishwa, the
>    waker, after termination of sleep, just for few seconds  here recalling the
>    vAsana-s (impressions) arising out of brahmAnanda  in sushupti.  Now the
>    question that needs to be looked into is, how vAsana-s created in sushupti
>    when there is no primary vrutti since karaNa-s (upAdhi-s) and vishaya-s
>    both are in upashAnta sthiti.  When there is no vishesha darshana how can a
>    resultant vAsana be created to recall in waking??  There is a valid reason
>    for doubting this position, bhAshyakAra says : tEna na pruthktvena
>    vyavasthitAni karaNAni vishyAscha, tat abhAvAt vishesha darshanaM nAsti.
>    Sri SSS says sushupti is the state where  there is not even an iota of
>    vishaya vAsane.  ( gaadha nidre yembudu vishaya vAsane ellada pUrNAnandada
>    sthiti adakke A avastheyalli Atmanu Anandamayanu, prajnAnaghananu vishesha
>    rahitanu Agiruttaane).
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>   Swami Vidyaranya also thereby brings out the difference between
> VishayAnanda ( happiness brought about by objects)  which is only a
> semblance of bliss, and vAsanAnanda  which is an impression of bliss which
> is not the product of anything else.
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>    -  Here I think I need the elaboration, vAsanAnada which is an
>    impression of bliss but not the product of anything else.  vAsana created
>    by Ananda in the state of ekatvaM where vishaya & upAdhi both are  totally
>    subdued but still there is a recollection of vAsana by the Vishwa
>    (vaishwAnara / waker’s mind).
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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> bhaskar
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