[Advaita-l] On the need for the jivanmukta to "act"

[KAMESWARARAO MULA]

Dear Sir,                To conclude my inputs in this thread, one of the western followers of Ramanamaharshi mentioned in his books that:The Archer has released the arrows and he has  no control over it as they are alreadydischarged. It comes to rest only whenits momentum is exhausted. The liberated sage (Jnani) must keep up this body as long asthe momentum of Prarabdha Karmas lasts. When the Prarabdha Karmas is exhaustedthe body falls off and he attains Videha-Mukti / salvation.



 Possessiveness that I follow this / I know this/ I am this much / I have these skills will not help  persons in knowing the self (in reality they are the burdens) or hurldles in the path of realization but some times our eyes laments us. We may see something at that moment but reality may be different to occur that particular occasion. So one has to work in nature by following the 'Prakriti niyama' to get rid off of  the prarabda.
Although in the sited example of 'Prahlada', Ultimately he is kings son, he has to rule the underworld as a duty, so vishnu might have instructed him to do so although he is liberated at that moment.
My interpretation in this case : Since in one way he is responsible for his father's  i.e Hiranyakasipa's death (what ever may be the reason). Although Hiranyakasipa praised his son after seeing vishnu in the narasimha-rupa. In simple terms, both Prahlada & Hiranyakasipa share the same sukshma sarira (being the father  & son) , Prahlada was liberated at that moment with that body but he got that from his father. In one way or other little sin might be adhered to him for the responsibility of his father's death. So 'Vishnu' being the superpower may  be keeping this point in mind, might have instructed 'Prahlada' to rule the underworld so that he can get ridd off anything which is accumulated.
I don't know my words rightly placed or not or to comment on 'Bhagavattoma-Prahlada' , just i thought like this by seeing the entire scenario.
Learned members pls put your views. Sri Guru Padaravindarpana Mastu Kameswara 

    On Wednesday, 13 March 2019 5:26:35 pm IST, KAMESWARARAO MULA via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:  
 
 Dear Sir,
Why should he attribute his actions to the fact that the guru's words "should" be followed? Why "should" Prahlada be *instructed* to rule the underworld.
  The possible interpretations can be like this:
Whensome one realizes the Self, one no longer has any sankalpas. That is tosay, one can no longer choose or decide what one should or should not do. People with minds who identify with bodiesassume that they have ‘free-will’(In reality it is not the case), that they can choose or decide what theydo or don’t do. Jnanis who know that they are the Self and the Selfalone have no such choices or options. When they speak, it is the Self that isspeaking, and when they move, it is the Self that is animating them to performa particular action. There is no intermediary mind that considers courses ofaction and then executes one of them. He  did not have a ‘choice’ to return home sincethe ‘chooser’ in him no longer existed. (From the blogspot of Ramana Maharshi)

If the guru can't instruct the 'sishya', then how the body is assimilated, then one keeps on moving from one yoni to another yoni  i.e endless cycle.
some people with minds may have the capability of moving from one body to another with their skills to show their highness, there is no use or purpose for such kind of skills as they can never get transmigrated due to the fear from the loss of the body. Learned members pls put your views
Sri Guru Padaravindarpana MastuKameswara
 
 

    On Thursday, 7 February 2019 12:20 PM, Akilesh Ayyar via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
 

 I'm trying to understand an interesting scriptural point. The question is
what is the best interpretation of the rationale given for *why* the
jivanmukta acts or should act in the world.

In the Bhagavad Gita (3:22-24), Bhagavan states that if He did not do
anything, the three worlds would fall apart. And so he does do, despite not
needing anything Himself.

The question is, given the immutability of the Self, so what if the worlds
fall apart? What is the scriptural argument against such destruction? Why
would this matter at all?

And we, see, too, in the Yoga Vasistha, two instances of the same idea.

When Prahlada gains self-realization, he falls into a deep nirvikalpa
samadhi. As a result of his own peace, it is said that the the demons stop
warring, and then therefore the gods stop warring, and then therefore
literally the entire universe grinds to a halt. And this is seen as
undesirable because the universe supposedly needs to keep going a while
longer.

So Vishnu wakes Prahlada up and bids him to live as a jivanmukta while
ruling the underworld. Vishnu tells him he will live and act, though in
waking, as if in deep sleep, or "half asleep." Prahlada is not to worry
about what is or is not to be done, but simply to do what is "natural."

All these because of the mysterious destiny that dictates the universe has
to keep operating.

And similarly at the end of Yoga Vasistha, Rama, having perceived truth,
also falls into samadhi. But yet again there is work to be done. So
Vasistha enters his sushumna-nadi and wakes him up, telling him he has to
get on with his tasks. Rama then says something like -- it doesn't matter
what one should do or not do, but one should follow the words of the guru
(a bit of a contradiction!). And so off he goes.

The real question is what the meaning of the "should" in these cases is.
Perhaps it is simply this: that the jivanmukta *should* be active in the
sense that his/her vasanas dictate that they *will* be active. The "laws"
of the universe simply compel them into this. It is not a question of
morality. They are the robots of BG 18:61.

But if that is so, Rama's words are odd -- why should he attribute his
actions to the fact that the guru's words "should" be followed? Why
"should" Prahlada be *instructed* by Vishnu to rule the underworld if he is
effectively in a waking state of deep sleep? Does the concept of "obeying
an instruction" apply to one who is in that state?

And compare, too, to the idea in Ashtavakra Gita 14:1, when Janaka says
that the enlightened one acts "accidentally" or "motivelessly" (pramadad).
So how does this square with listening to instructions, or wanting to
prevent the destruction of the three worlds by one's inaction? Are these
not motives?

So what's going on here? What are the interpretations of this issue?

Hari Om,
Akilesh
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