[Advaita-l] Question about Sri Vidyaranya's JMV & jnani matra

Praveen R. Bhat bhatpraveen at gmail.com
Wed Mar 27 09:29:27 EDT 2019

Namaste Akileshji,

On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 6:30 PM Akilesh Ayyar via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

Many of us have been a part of this debate many times in the
past on this very list but some just love to run around in circles!
I'd like to make a samanvaya proposition though on your next
discussion about "onlooker".

So since this is the case, then there cannot really be for a jnani any
> avidyAlesha, any rAga-dvesha -- because the jnani is not a person. All
> these again *are* posited only for onlookers.
> He says: "In sahaja samadhi the activities, vital and mental, and the three
> states are destroyed, never to reappear. However, others notice the Jnani
> active e.g., eating, talking, moving etc. He is not himself aware of these
> activities, whereas others are aware of his activities. They pertain to his
> body and not to his Real Self, swarupa. For himself, he is like the
> sleeping passenger - or like a child interrupted from sound sleep and fed,
> being unaware of it."
> Indeed, in the end even the very concept of a jnani is from the standpoint
> of onlookers, because the concept of liberation is itself in the end wrong.

Whatever is mentioned as an onlooker's perspective can be
understood as *associating the jnAnI with the body-mind-sense-
complex* whereas the association is no longer there in the case of
the jnAnI.

> See Maharshi's last verse in his 40 verses: "If it is said that Liberation
> is of three kinds, with form or with and without form, then let me tell you
> that the extinction of the three forms of Liberation is the only true
> Liberation."

> Yes, if that is what the so-called traditional camp believes, then that is
> a pity :-)
Finally, I urge you to take the traditional perspective from a
traditionalist and not from those who say what the traditionalists
say, since for them the tradition itself is a "so-called" tradition!

For what its worth, orthodox tradition and Bhagavan Ramana's
teachings have never been at war with each other. This list has
seen many a discussion on that as well. If anything, they are one
and the same and just as the former can be confused without
proper context, so can the latter.

--Praveen R. Bhat
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