[Advaita-l] Whether darkness is bhava - Vivarana Prameya Samgraha of Shri Vidyaranya

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Hari Om Raghava ji,

as far as vacuum is concerned, I think its depiction as 16-component tensor
is being discussed in Science also. However, darkness is different.
Thinking of vacuum or space as fluctuations of quantum field is not
challenged here. On darkness, I am not sure at all if science is even
discussing it. Emergence of quark and electrons from quantum field
fluctuations is indeed the dominant theory today.

//we can still reasonably hold that an adhidevatA is revealed
by the upaniSad only for some existent entity, energy or law etc. // Any
pramana for this statement. That will be wonderful. If we can prove this,
then I think the discussion will end and I will be greatly benefited.

Regards,
Sudhanshu.

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 7:32 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> We are so accustomed to the photon (particle) model that we assume there is
> nothing but emptiness or absence of matter and energy in the darkness and
> vacuum in space. These older scientific models are themselves challenged
> and contradicted by the observation of 'quantum fluctuations' -
> "A quantum fluctuation is the temporary appearance of energetic particles
> out of empty space, as allowed by the uncertainty principle
> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle>."
> Even the vacuum of outer space is inherently an existent entity which can
> spontaneously create particles literally out of 'thin vacuum.'
>
> Even vacuum is thus not the mere 'absence' of matter and energy.
>
> So far it's just science. Now taking care not to arbitrarily mix science
> with Vedanta, we can still reasonably hold that an adhidevatA is revealed
> by the upaniSad only for some existent entity, energy or law etc. While the
> different indriyas etc have devatAs who govern them there is no devatA for
> an atyanta-abhAva entity like a shasha-shRnga.
>
> The above idea may have some relevance to the verse in brihadAraNyaka where
> there is mention of the tama abhimAnI devatA.
>
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> On Tue 7 May, 2019, 10:07 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > But here tamas refers to Mrityu devata just as prithivi does not refer to
> > astronomical body prithivi but to prithivi devata. Moreover, this is
> > adhidaivata-prakarana, then how can by the word tamas is taken the
> > darkness? If you take here literal meaning then you will have to take
> even
> > direction as some bhava padarth like chair and table because even that is
> > enlisted. By the word dik, Ashvini Kumaras are meant and so on.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sudhanshu.
> >
> > On Tue 7 May, 2019, 21:06 V Subrahmanian, <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 9:03 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> In the above, especially the 'outside' tamas, we have the shruti
> pramana
> > >> for 'tamas' being a bhaava padaartha like sun, moon, etc.
> > >>
> > >> Hari Om V Subrahmanian ji,
> > >>
> > >> Which one exactly is Shruti Pramana for 'tamas' being a bhava padarth
> > like
> > >> sun, moon?
> > >>
> > >
> > > This passage of the Upanishad:
> > >
> > > …यस्तमसि तिष्ठंस्तमसोऽन्तरो यं तमो न वेद यस्य तमः शरीरं यस्तमोऽन्तरो
> > > > यमयत्येष त आत्मान्तर्याम्यमृतः ॥ १३ ॥ ………
> > > >
> > > This passage occurs amidst so many other cosmic entities in that
> > > braahmaNam.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > subbu
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Sudhanshu.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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