[Advaita-l] Jnana and Ajnana - a beautiful dialogue

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Raghav Ji,

Perhaps u mean manOvritti when u r terming GYAna vRtti ?? If yes, it is
better to term it so.

Regards

On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 1:03 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Perhaps  << former being the very svarUpam of Atma merely illuminates both
> aGYAnam and
> GYAnam and is not opposed to it per se, the following question arises.
> >>  sould read as
>
> << former being the very svarUpam of Atma merely illuminates both aGYAnam
> and
> GYAna vRtti, and is not opposed to it per se, the following question
> arises.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 11:43 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Sorry for tye typo - it should read
>> Regarding the content about the distinction between GYAnam and GYAna vRtti
>> , with the latter alone being effectual in destroying aGYAnam while the
>> former being the very svarUpam of Atma merely illuminates both aGYAnam and
>> GYAnam and is not opposed to it per se, the following question arises.
>>
>> On Sun, 10 Nov, 2019, 6:44 AM Raghav Kumar Dwivedula, <
>> raghavkumar00 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste Subbuji
>> > Thanks for sharing that. Is it a dialogue with the Paramacharya of
>> Kanchi
>> > H.H. Sri Chandrashekarendra Saraswati Swamiji? An excerpt from a book?
>> >
>> > Regarding the content about the distinction between GYAnam and GYAna
>> vRtti
>> > , with the latter alone being effectual in destroying aGYAnam while the
>> > former being the very svarUpam if Atma merely illuminates both aGYAnam
>> and
>> > is not opposed to it per se, the following question arises.
>> >
>> > There is view which was expressed earlier by a respected scholar on this
>> > forum that the GYAna vRttis are sought to be continually cultivated even
>> > for the 'higher order' of GYAnIs because there is a possibility of
>> cyuti or
>> > slippage even for them. So there is no respite. A kind of eternal
>> vigilance
>> > has to be maintained as the price of liberty. This is one viewpoint.
>> >
>> > Is there any 'order' of GYAni for whom we can very literally assert that
>> > sarvathA vartamAnopi he never slips or is vulnerable to a cyuti because
>> he
>> > has attained (understood) non-difference with GYAnam as Atma svarUpam?
>> My
>> > understanding is yes. But wanted to clarify this further.
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> > Om
>> > Raghav
>> >
>> > On Sat, 9 Nov, 2019, 7:28 AM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> PeriyavAL: Know that there are Guttu Shlokas in Bharatam (Mahabharata)?
>> >>
>> >> Myself: These are Guttu Shlokas because they were composed to reduce
>> the
>> >> speed of PiLLaiyar's (Ganesha's) writing.
>> >>
>> >> PeriyavAL: There is a Guttu Shloka in Gita! You know?
>> >>
>> >> Myself: Don't know.
>> >>
>> >> PeriyavAL: '*aj~nAnenanAvR^itaM j~nAnaM tena muhyanti jantavaH |
>> j~nAnena
>> >> tu tadaj~nAnaM yeSAM nAshitamAtmanaH ||*' (5.15,16)
>> >>
>> >> "Atma who is *jnAnarUpam* (in the form of knowledge) is veiled with
>> >> *ajnAnaM* (ignorance). People are deluded because of that. If the
>> >> *ajnAnaM* is
>> >> destroyed by *jnAnaM*, Moksha will be attained."
>> >>
>> >> Isn't this doctrine puzzling, confusing? How can *ajnAnaM* veil
>> *jnAnaM*?
>> >> If it is veiled, how by that same *jnAnaM* will *ajnAnaM* be
>> destroyed? --
>> >> is the confusion. Vinayaka blinks. In those few seconds Vyasa has
>> readily
>> >> composed the *shloka*s of many chapters.
>> >>
>> >> For this puzzle that comes in the fifth chapter, he gives the answer in
>> >> the
>> >> tenth chapter!
>> >>
>> >> teshAmanukampArtham ahamaj~nAnajaM tamaH |
>> >> nAshayAmi AtmabhAvastaH j~nAnadIpena bhasvatA ||
>> >>
>> >> To show mercy on the *bhaktA*s who always sing and think only about me
>> and
>> >> melt by those acts in their hearts, I as the *jnAna rUpi* (form of
>> >> knowledge) enter the state of mind that remains *akhaNdAkAram* (not
>> >> fragmentary, entire, whole) and is known as *AtmabhAvam* (state of the
>> >> soul), reach the *prati-bimbam* (reflection), strengthen the *jnAnam*
>> and
>> >> set aside (the veil) of ignorance.
>> >>
>> >> (In other words, *svarUpa jnAnam* by itself will not set aside
>> ignorance.
>> >> It only notifies its presence. But if the same *svarUpa jnAnam* is
>> >> reflected by the *mano vRutti* (mode/nature/state of mind) that results
>> >> from continued experience of the state of meditation on the Vedanta
>> Maha
>> >> Vakhyas after studying and reflecting on them, that will immediately
>> burn
>> >> the ignorance. Even if the sun has the *svabhAva* (inherent nature) to
>> >> burn
>> >> cotton, it burns the cotton only when the rays touch it through a
>> special
>> >> lens!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Read more:
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://periva.proboards.com/thread/2491/kanchi-paramacharya-satsangam-shashtrartha-02#ixzz64gsvLt00
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