[Advaita-l] Proof for 84 lakhs of birth

[Indira Sastry]

Namasthe Subbuji
Thank you so much for your reply. With all due respects to you, I don't
have the same respect for Prabhupada, as he was our Shankara Bhagavatpada
hater. He ridiculed our Acharya so badly. So, I don't take his word as an
authority.
Thanking you
Regards

Indira Sastry
सत्यानंदः अंतरतः विद्यते
True happiness lies within


On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 10:58 PM V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2021 at 5:19 AM Indira Sastry via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namasthe Sarvebhya:
>> I am just copying someone's reply here:
>> My question is: we all quote that to get human birth we go through 84
>> lakhs
>> of janma in different yonis. What is the proof for this? I know Kanakadasa
>> has written that in a song. I am not looking for answers like in a song. I
>> am looking for the authentic proof. The knowledgeable people in the group
>> could throw light on this please.
>>
>
> See this page:  https://prabhupadabooks.com/d.php?qg=2390
>
> "There are 900,000 species living in the water. There are also 2,000,000
> non-moving living entities (*sthāvara
> <https://prabhupadabooks.com/d/sthavara>*) such as trees and plants.
> There are also 1,100,000 species of insects and reptiles, and there are
> 1,000,000 species of birds. As far as quadrupeds are concerned there are
> 3,000,000 varieties, and there are 400,000 human species." Some of these
> species may exist on one planet and not on another, but in any case within
> all the planets of the universe-and even in the sun-there are living
> entities.
>
> They ask, "How are you so much sure about 8,400,000 species?"
> Prabhupāda: Because we have heard from authority. As you are asking
> assurance from me, so I give you the knowledge from where I have heard. You
> want to hear from me. I have heard from authority. That's all. What is the
> difficulty? Why you are asking me? You want to hear from me. So I have also
> heard from authority. This is the statement. You take it.
>
> Follow the dialogue.  There may or may not be scriptural authority cited
> here.  It could be in some purana.
>
> regards
> subbu
>
>
>
>
>> Thanks a lot.
>> Dhanyavada:
>> Indira Sastry
>> सत्यानंदः अंतरतः विद्यते
>> True happiness lies within.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 7:23 PM Sudhakar Kabra via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> >  Pls read inbetween:
>> > My question is…
>> >
>> > …in the next Life
>> >
>> > Does the same Jiva A1 & A2 reincarnate?
>> >
>> > If so, then A1 will have to inherit prarabdha “x” & A2 inherits
>> prarabdha
>> > “y”.  This leads to a finite amount of Jivas. How can there be a finite
>> > number of Jivas ?
>> >
>> >
>> > Jivas are all living beings. There are 84 lac yonis and migration in
>> > between them is also possible.So it is not a simple linear relationship
>> as
>> > you mention. Humans can take animal births and vice versa.There is no
>> way
>> > logic can fathom that.
>> >
>> >
>> > If not, then there is no specific identity traversal, hence while
>> attaining
>> > Moksha who is Liberated?
>> >
>> > The jiva who attains moksha gets liberated. Normal rule is via human
>> birth
>> > but there are instances and exceptions otherwise.
>> >
>> >
>> > Since there is reincarnation,there must be a certain identity traversal
>> > between lives. Since face, colour, region, etc are different, we
>> consider
>> > that the “karmas” as the determining factor. But if
>> >
>> > “By definition, a jiva is the bundle of karma and its effects that
>> persists
>> > from life to life.”
>> >
>> > What determines this bundle.
>> >
>> > The present karma (kriyamana karma) determines the future bundle.
>> >
>> > Of course, we could believe that these karma phalams are determined by
>> > ISWARA and hence ISWARA is kartha, it is not deterministic. But, is
>> there
>> > any other alternatives to tackle this?
>> >
>> >
>> > Ishwara is not a karta. There is no kartritwa bhavana or else he can be
>> > termed partial. It is the law of karma that functions meticulously under
>> > him.
>> > Is Advaita purely based on faith ?
>> > Without faith nothing is possible. It keeps you going on this life
>> > journey.As one progresses he can see milestones going as mentioned in
>> > shashtras .When knowledge fails, faith takes over.
>> >
>> > Regards,S.Kabra
>> Thanks
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