[Advaita-l] On Ramana

[Vasu Raghavan]

Namaskaram to everyone

Here is my take / interpretation of what Sri. Jaladhar has written...

Sri. Ramana's teachings -- his ultimate message -- are very much aligned to
the traditional Advaitic teachings, but the METHOD that he apparently
advocated (the "Who am I?" questioning approach) is not something that
everyone can follow and successfully reach the end goal

The "traditional" path that is usually instructed for the ordinary seekers
is the "Shravanam -- Mananam -- Nidhidhyaasanam" route which is largely
ignored and understated in the approach advocated by Sri. Ramana

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
With warm regards

Vasudevan Raghavan
Frankfurt am Main, Germany

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 9:06 AM Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> sAshtAnga praNAms Sri Jaldhar Vyas Prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
>
> But he was not a systematic thinker and it would be a mistake to treat him
> as such.  He can be a source of inspiration and that is enough.
>
> >   In my humble opinion, it is very bold and open opinion might as
> against the opinion of some traditionalists who have the firm conviction
> that bhagavAn's teachings are indeed in line with traditional Advaita
> teaching!!.  Kindly elaborate you above statement if possible prabhuji.
> Are you of the opinion that his teachings are traditionally not valid one
> and not good for shravaNAdi advaitic sAdhana and  he is mere brahmanishTa
> and NOT shrOtreeya  and hence his teachings are NOT based on shAstra??
> Like rAmakrishna paramahaMsa he can be an inspirational figure but not a
> traditional teacher ??  Please clarify.
>
> Your humble servant
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
>
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> Every inch of punyabharata has been blessed by contact with the feet of
> saints from the mists of the ancient past to the present day.  Some of
> these have been great sages and scholars who poured their insights into
> works of both great beauty and great profundity.  They initiated disciples
> and built institutions to keep the flame of dharma alive. Others also set
> forth from their homes inspired by nothing more than the longings of their
> own souls and that was enough.  They did not form lineages, they did not
> write well-distributed books (if they wrote anything) at all and most of
> them never became known further than their own village or maybe a small
> region beyond.
>
> Venkataraman Iyer was born in a time and place where both these types of
> saint were still common.  So he would have been immersed in an atmosphere
> where someone of a naturally spiritual inclination (as by all evidence he
> had from childhood) would have received great nourishment even without
> formal education.  We know he was an able poet in Tamil.  We know that he
> had enough knowledge of Sanskrit to be able to read and discuss stotras and
> philosophical works and even translate some of them.  And he had
> association with many people who were classically educated and could remedy
> any lack in those areas.
>
> Because there was a lack as there would have been for any autodidact.  I
> compare him with another self-taught Tamil genius, his contemporary
> Srinivas Ramanujan.  Ramanujans insights into mathematics are still bearing
> fruit to advanced researchers to this day.  But as his biographer Hardy
> noted, he sometimes made simple mistakes or put things in unnecessarily
> hard to understand (for mathematicians) ways not due to lack of
> intelligence but simply because he had not been "initiated" into the
> standard academic culture of mathematics.  I don't think Hardy meant to
> belittle him by saying this neither should we think less of him for it.
> It is just a fact. I feel we should look at Raman in the same way.  He
> never tried to recruit followers or build himself up as a guru but he
> impressed people and they asked him questions so he answered them out of
> love.  But he was not a systematic thinker and it would be a mistake to
> treat him as such.  He can be a source of inspiration and that is enough.
> Ramanujans style did not replace the way Mathematics is done then or now
> rather it is through the lens of that way that his true brilliance could be
> discerned.  In the same way I suggest that if consider yourself inspired by
> Raman, if you think the most vital question is "Who am I?  It is even more
> incumbent upon you to learn the formal methods of Advaita Vedanta as no man
> is an island and noquestion comes out of a void.
>
>
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> Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
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