[Advaita-l] Dialogues with the guru.

[Nithin Sridhar]

The collective Karma of society will have to bear fruit. Ishwara being just
will have to give Karmic fruit for all actions!

None of us live lives by 100 percent following Shaastra. That is
practically impossible. So law or no law, we do indulge in many Adharmas.
Ishwara gives fruits to us based on collective actions we perform in our
entire life.

Even if we say that we are following rule of land and beyond our control
there will still be some degree of paapam that accrue due to violation of
Shastra.

On Mon, 28 Jun, 2021, 6:15 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <chevendrakaushik at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, 18:02 Nithin Sridhar, <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yes. But that is a collective decision we as a society have taken, let's
>> say perhaps based on some valid reasons as well but in the sphere of Artha.
>> But this in itself makes no difference to the Shastric mandate and it's
>> validity. Life is always about negotiating with such scenarios.
>>
> What you say is true sir. But isvara being completely just, will he punish
> us for the things we don't have control over?. This question is valid
> because unlike the rules of law of land, the disobedience of shastra yeilds
> negative karma.
>
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Jun, 2021, 5:35 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, 17:30 Nithin Sridhar via Advaita-l, <
>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I might add here that commentators on Smritis make it clear that the
>>>> Shastric view is not that the girl has to be eight or something. It sets
>>>> the lowest limit at 8 and the recommended upper limit at three years
>>>> from
>>>> menarche, which could say 15 or 16 years. [Grihyasutras especially
>>>> speak of
>>>> the marriage of women post menarche].
>>>>
>>> Even that is presently against the law.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:40 PM Vinodh via Advaita-l <
>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Namaskaram
>>>> >
>>>> > On matters where the law of the State is in conflict with the law of
>>>> the
>>>> > Dharmashaastra, Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi of the Kanchi
>>>> Shankara
>>>> > Matam has said that he will not ask one to disobey the law of the
>>>> State. He
>>>> > recommends, however, that we must keep speaking of the law of the
>>>> > Dharmashaastra and wait and see whether the situation changes
>>>> favorably. He
>>>> > has said this while speaking about child marriage (Voice of God /
>>>> > Deivatthin Kural Vol 2).
>>>> >
>>>> > Om tat sat
>>>> > 🙏
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon 28. Jun 2021 at 13:45, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
>>>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Thank you Subbuji for that reference. Going against the law or also
>>>> > current
>>>> > > cultural and social norms in lowering the marriageable age in order
>>>> to
>>>> > > conform to earlier smEti interpretation, hardly seems likely to be a
>>>> > > response from even orthodox Acharyas today. Your reference gives a
>>>> > > rationale for such an expectation.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Om
>>>> > > Raghav
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Mon, 28 Jun, 2021, 11:12 am V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
>>>> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 10:10 PM Kaushik Chevendra <
>>>> > > > chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > An excellent answer sir. But please forgive me for raising
>>>> another
>>>> > > doubt.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > In whatever discourses I have read by the acharyas, they have
>>>> stated
>>>> > > that
>>>> > > > > the smriti texts shouldn't be changed and dharma remains
>>>> constant as
>>>> > a
>>>> > > > rule
>>>> > > > > of isvara.
>>>> > > > > Its only through my fault, that I have probably misunderstood
>>>> what
>>>> > they
>>>> > > > > have said.
>>>> > > > > Please explain how if the shastra cannot be changed with time,
>>>> we can
>>>> > > > > adopt to the present day world.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > I quote a passage from the (now unavailable book) The Crest Jewel
>>>> of
>>>> > > Yogis
>>>> > > > - First Volume, p.109:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > // In fact, it was Paramacharyal (HH Sri Chandrashekhara Bharati
>>>> > > > Mahasvamin) who Himself encouraged Acharyal (HH Sri Abhinava
>>>> > Vidyatirtha
>>>> > > > Mahasvamin) to take a free and independent line of thinking in
>>>> such
>>>> > > matters
>>>> > > > in keeping with the need to cater to a changing and less orthodox
>>>> > > society.
>>>> > > > .. //
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Hence it is the Guru that is most closely available to us at a
>>>> given
>>>> > > > situation and time that has to be consulted in case of need for
>>>> > > > clarification and guidance.  Their writings, various incidents of
>>>> > > > devotees/seekers with such a Guru, etc will provide us the leads
>>>> to
>>>> > > > solutions to our questions.  Such clarifications could also be
>>>> > > > seeker-specific and may not be universal.  This is how these
>>>> things
>>>> > work.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > regards
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >>>>>
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