[Advaita-l] Dialogues with the guru.

[Kaushik Chevendra]

Namaste sir.

On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, 18:22 Nithin Sridhar, <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com> wrote:

> The collective Karma of society will have to bear fruit. Ishwara being
> just will have to give Karmic fruit for all actions!
>
> None of us live lives by 100 percent following Shaastra. That is
> practically impossible. So law or no law, we do indulge in many Adharmas.
> Ishwara gives fruits to us based on collective actions we perform in our
> entire life.
>
True, But the adharmas one dones through laziness, raga dveshas etc, are
not the ones which are in question now.

>
> Even if we say that we are following rule of land and beyond our control
> there will still be some degree of paapam that accrue due to violation of
> Shastra.
>
I agree with you here sir. But what degree does this papam have? Do nitya
karmas expiate them?
This I am asking as a seeker and not as any type of debate.
Thank you.

>
> On Mon, 28 Jun, 2021, 6:15 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, 18:02 Nithin Sridhar, <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. But that is a collective decision we as a society have taken, let's
>>> say perhaps based on some valid reasons as well but in the sphere of Artha.
>>> But this in itself makes no difference to the Shastric mandate and it's
>>> validity. Life is always about negotiating with such scenarios.
>>>
>> What you say is true sir. But isvara being completely just, will he
>> punish us for the things we don't have control over?. This question is
>> valid because unlike the rules of law of land, the disobedience of shastra
>> yeilds negative karma.
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jun, 2021, 5:35 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, 17:30 Nithin Sridhar via Advaita-l, <
>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I might add here that commentators on Smritis make it clear that the
>>>>> Shastric view is not that the girl has to be eight or something. It
>>>>> sets
>>>>> the lowest limit at 8 and the recommended upper limit at three years
>>>>> from
>>>>> menarche, which could say 15 or 16 years. [Grihyasutras especially
>>>>> speak of
>>>>> the marriage of women post menarche].
>>>>>
>>>> Even that is presently against the law.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:40 PM Vinodh via Advaita-l <
>>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Namaskaram
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On matters where the law of the State is in conflict with the law of
>>>>> the
>>>>> > Dharmashaastra, Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi of the Kanchi
>>>>> Shankara
>>>>> > Matam has said that he will not ask one to disobey the law of the
>>>>> State. He
>>>>> > recommends, however, that we must keep speaking of the law of the
>>>>> > Dharmashaastra and wait and see whether the situation changes
>>>>> favorably. He
>>>>> > has said this while speaking about child marriage (Voice of God /
>>>>> > Deivatthin Kural Vol 2).
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Om tat sat
>>>>> > 🙏
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon 28. Jun 2021 at 13:45, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
>>>>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > Thank you Subbuji for that reference. Going against the law or also
>>>>> > current
>>>>> > > cultural and social norms in lowering the marriageable age in
>>>>> order to
>>>>> > > conform to earlier smEti interpretation, hardly seems likely to be
>>>>> a
>>>>> > > response from even orthodox Acharyas today. Your reference gives a
>>>>> > > rationale for such an expectation.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Om
>>>>> > > Raghav
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Mon, 28 Jun, 2021, 11:12 am V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
>>>>> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > > On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 10:10 PM Kaushik Chevendra <
>>>>> > > > chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > > An excellent answer sir. But please forgive me for raising
>>>>> another
>>>>> > > doubt.
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > > In whatever discourses I have read by the acharyas, they have
>>>>> stated
>>>>> > > that
>>>>> > > > > the smriti texts shouldn't be changed and dharma remains
>>>>> constant as
>>>>> > a
>>>>> > > > rule
>>>>> > > > > of isvara.
>>>>> > > > > Its only through my fault, that I have probably misunderstood
>>>>> what
>>>>> > they
>>>>> > > > > have said.
>>>>> > > > > Please explain how if the shastra cannot be changed with time,
>>>>> we can
>>>>> > > > > adopt to the present day world.
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > I quote a passage from the (now unavailable book) The Crest
>>>>> Jewel of
>>>>> > > Yogis
>>>>> > > > - First Volume, p.109:
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > // In fact, it was Paramacharyal (HH Sri Chandrashekhara Bharati
>>>>> > > > Mahasvamin) who Himself encouraged Acharyal (HH Sri Abhinava
>>>>> > Vidyatirtha
>>>>> > > > Mahasvamin) to take a free and independent line of thinking in
>>>>> such
>>>>> > > matters
>>>>> > > > in keeping with the need to cater to a changing and less orthodox
>>>>> > > society.
>>>>> > > > .. //
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > Hence it is the Guru that is most closely available to us at a
>>>>> given
>>>>> > > > situation and time that has to be consulted in case of need for
>>>>> > > > clarification and guidance.  Their writings, various incidents of
>>>>> > > > devotees/seekers with such a Guru, etc will provide us the leads
>>>>> to
>>>>> > > > solutions to our questions.  Such clarifications could also be
>>>>> > > > seeker-specific and may not be universal.  This is how these
>>>>> things
>>>>> > work.
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > regards
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > >
>>>>> > > > >>>>>
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