[Advaita-l] Dialogues with the guru.

[Nithin Sridhar]

Only an Acharya can truly answer these questions. I think it may be very
difficult to answer as Punya and Papa are Adrishtam. So, only Ishwara knows
and is the final authority.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 6:32 PM Kaushik Chevendra <
chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste sir.
>
> On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, 18:22 Nithin Sridhar, <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The collective Karma of society will have to bear fruit. Ishwara being
>> just will have to give Karmic fruit for all actions!
>>
>> None of us live lives by 100 percent following Shaastra. That is
>> practically impossible. So law or no law, we do indulge in many Adharmas.
>> Ishwara gives fruits to us based on collective actions we perform in our
>> entire life.
>>
> True, But the adharmas one dones through laziness, raga dveshas etc, are
> not the ones which are in question now.
>
>>
>> Even if we say that we are following rule of land and beyond our control
>> there will still be some degree of paapam that accrue due to violation of
>> Shastra.
>>
> I agree with you here sir. But what degree does this papam have? Do nitya
> karmas expiate them?
> This I am asking as a seeker and not as any type of debate.
> Thank you.
>
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Jun, 2021, 6:15 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, 18:02 Nithin Sridhar, <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes. But that is a collective decision we as a society have taken,
>>>> let's say perhaps based on some valid reasons as well but in the sphere of
>>>> Artha. But this in itself makes no difference to the Shastric mandate and
>>>> it's validity. Life is always about negotiating with such scenarios.
>>>>
>>> What you say is true sir. But isvara being completely just, will he
>>> punish us for the things we don't have control over?. This question is
>>> valid because unlike the rules of law of land, the disobedience of shastra
>>> yeilds negative karma.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 28 Jun, 2021, 5:35 PM Kaushik Chevendra, <
>>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 28 Jun 2021, 17:30 Nithin Sridhar via Advaita-l, <
>>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I might add here that commentators on Smritis make it clear that the
>>>>>> Shastric view is not that the girl has to be eight or something. It
>>>>>> sets
>>>>>> the lowest limit at 8 and the recommended upper limit at three years
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> menarche, which could say 15 or 16 years. [Grihyasutras especially
>>>>>> speak of
>>>>>> the marriage of women post menarche].
>>>>>>
>>>>> Even that is presently against the law.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:40 PM Vinodh via Advaita-l <
>>>>>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Namaskaram
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On matters where the law of the State is in conflict with the law
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> > Dharmashaastra, Sri Chandrasekharendra Saraswathi of the Kanchi
>>>>>> Shankara
>>>>>> > Matam has said that he will not ask one to disobey the law of the
>>>>>> State. He
>>>>>> > recommends, however, that we must keep speaking of the law of the
>>>>>> > Dharmashaastra and wait and see whether the situation changes
>>>>>> favorably. He
>>>>>> > has said this while speaking about child marriage (Voice of God /
>>>>>> > Deivatthin Kural Vol 2).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Om tat sat
>>>>>> > 🙏
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon 28. Jun 2021 at 13:45, Raghav Kumar Dwivedula via Advaita-l <
>>>>>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > Thank you Subbuji for that reference. Going against the law or
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> > current
>>>>>> > > cultural and social norms in lowering the marriageable age in
>>>>>> order to
>>>>>> > > conform to earlier smEti interpretation, hardly seems likely to
>>>>>> be a
>>>>>> > > response from even orthodox Acharyas today. Your reference gives a
>>>>>> > > rationale for such an expectation.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Om
>>>>>> > > Raghav
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > On Mon, 28 Jun, 2021, 11:12 am V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l, <
>>>>>> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > > On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 10:10 PM Kaushik Chevendra <
>>>>>> > > > chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > > An excellent answer sir. But please forgive me for raising
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> > > doubt.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > > In whatever discourses I have read by the acharyas, they have
>>>>>> stated
>>>>>> > > that
>>>>>> > > > > the smriti texts shouldn't be changed and dharma remains
>>>>>> constant as
>>>>>> > a
>>>>>> > > > rule
>>>>>> > > > > of isvara.
>>>>>> > > > > Its only through my fault, that I have probably misunderstood
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> > they
>>>>>> > > > > have said.
>>>>>> > > > > Please explain how if the shastra cannot be changed with
>>>>>> time, we can
>>>>>> > > > > adopt to the present day world.
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > I quote a passage from the (now unavailable book) The Crest
>>>>>> Jewel of
>>>>>> > > Yogis
>>>>>> > > > - First Volume, p.109:
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > // In fact, it was Paramacharyal (HH Sri Chandrashekhara Bharati
>>>>>> > > > Mahasvamin) who Himself encouraged Acharyal (HH Sri Abhinava
>>>>>> > Vidyatirtha
>>>>>> > > > Mahasvamin) to take a free and independent line of thinking in
>>>>>> such
>>>>>> > > matters
>>>>>> > > > in keeping with the need to cater to a changing and less
>>>>>> orthodox
>>>>>> > > society.
>>>>>> > > > .. //
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > Hence it is the Guru that is most closely available to us at a
>>>>>> given
>>>>>> > > > situation and time that has to be consulted in case of need for
>>>>>> > > > clarification and guidance.  Their writings, various incidents
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> > > > devotees/seekers with such a Guru, etc will provide us the
>>>>>> leads to
>>>>>> > > > solutions to our questions.  Such clarifications could also be
>>>>>> > > > seeker-specific and may not be universal.  This is how these
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> > work.
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > regards
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>> > > > >
>>>>>> > > > >>>>>
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Nithin S