[Advaita-l] Karma yoga: the kinder, softer preparation for self-inquiry and surrender

[Sudhanshu Shekhar]

Hari Om Chandramouli ji,

Interesting insight. So basically grihastha jivanmukta is an impossibility.
Right?

Sudhanshu.

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021, 18:27 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste.
>
> Perhaps there is a mixup  between jnAna,mOksha,sanyAsa  and jIvanmukti.
>
> Upon Realization or jnAna, freedom from rebirth is assured. This is
> irrespective of whether the jnAni takes to sanyAsa or not subsequently.
> While the need for sanyasa is compulsory for jnAna, it does not mean that
> sanyAsa is to be taken in the current birth for jnana. The requirement
> could have been met in previous births as well. I think this is what is
> covered in the observation by Sudhanshu Ji
>
> << My understanding has been -- the sequence of Gitabhashya 5.12 --
> कर्मयोग--सत्त्व-शुद्धि -- ज्ञानप्राप्ति -- सर्वकर्मसंन्यास-- ज्ञाननिष्ठा--
> मोक्ष is a sequence which spans across many lives. ज्ञाननिष्ठा and
> सर्वकर्मसंन्यास require physical sanyasa. But a person in such states --
> which is post सत्त्वशुद्धि -- if he dies and gets another body, he no
> longer is required to again have physical sanyasa. He carries from there
> and attains Moksha in whichever ashrama he is >>.
>
> However even this is not the highest level that could be reached as per
> Sidhanta. This only means mOksha is assured after the fall of the current
> body. Sidhanta maintains that one could attain the same status one attains
> after the fall of the body even while in the current body itself. That is
> the state of jIvanmukti. For this sanyAsa is compulsory. This is what is
> meant by vidvat sanyAsa, and is meant by Yagnyavalkya when he decides to
> take to sanyasa even though he is a jnAni. By this action of his,
> Yagnnyavalkya himself confirms the need for sanyAsa to become a jIvanmukta
> even for a jnAni.
>
> This is my understanding.
> Regards
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 2:16 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Ok.
>>
>> But then how would you reconcile several grihastha jivanmuktas available
>> in
>> Puranas.
>>
>> My understanding has been -- the sequence of Gitabhashya 5.12 --
>> कर्मयोग--सत्त्व-शुद्धि -- ज्ञानप्राप्ति -- सर्वकर्मसंन्यास-- ज्ञाननिष्ठा--
>> मोक्ष is a sequence which spans across many lives. ज्ञाननिष्ठा and
>> सर्वकर्मसंन्यास require physical sanyasa. But a person in such states --
>> which is post सत्त्वशुद्धि -- if he dies and gets another body, he no
>> longer is required to again have physical sanyasa. He carries from there
>> and attains Moksha in whichever ashrama he is. He can attain that even
>> while being in womb like Vamadeva. This is how we can reconcile grihastha
>> jivanmuktas also.
>>
>> If we posit requirement of physical sanyasa in a particular birth,
>> grihastha jivanmukta will be impossibility. Isn't that so?
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Mar, 2021, 1:56 pm , <jaldhar at braincells.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 11 Mar 2021, Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l wrote:
>> >
>> > > Do you propose impossibility of Moksha without sanyAsa (literal
>> physical
>> > > sanyAsa) in a particular birth
>> >
>> > Yes.  This is jivanmukti.
>> >
>> > > or across births?
>> >
>> > No.  This is kramamukti.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
>> >
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