[Advaita-l] Karma yoga: the kinder, softer preparation for self-inquiry and surrender

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,

Yes. That is right. Jivanmukti in Grihasthashrama is not admitted in
Sidhanta. That is my understanding.

Rehards

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 7:43 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hari Om Chandramouli ji,
>
> Interesting insight. So basically grihastha jivanmukta is an
> impossibility. Right?
>
> Sudhanshu.
>
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2021, 18:27 H S Chandramouli, <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Namaste.
>>
>> Perhaps there is a mixup  between jnAna,mOksha,sanyAsa  and jIvanmukti.
>>
>> Upon Realization or jnAna, freedom from rebirth is assured. This is
>> irrespective of whether the jnAni takes to sanyAsa or not subsequently.
>> While the need for sanyasa is compulsory for jnAna, it does not mean that
>> sanyAsa is to be taken in the current birth for jnana. The requirement
>> could have been met in previous births as well. I think this is what is
>> covered in the observation by Sudhanshu Ji
>>
>> << My understanding has been -- the sequence of Gitabhashya 5.12 --
>> कर्मयोग--सत्त्व-शुद्धि -- ज्ञानप्राप्ति -- सर्वकर्मसंन्यास-- ज्ञाननिष्ठा--
>> मोक्ष is a sequence which spans across many lives. ज्ञाननिष्ठा and
>> सर्वकर्मसंन्यास require physical sanyasa. But a person in such states --
>> which is post सत्त्वशुद्धि -- if he dies and gets another body, he no
>> longer is required to again have physical sanyasa. He carries from there
>> and attains Moksha in whichever ashrama he is >>.
>>
>> However even this is not the highest level that could be reached as per
>> Sidhanta. This only means mOksha is assured after the fall of the current
>> body. Sidhanta maintains that one could attain the same status one attains
>> after the fall of the body even while in the current body itself. That is
>> the state of jIvanmukti. For this sanyAsa is compulsory. This is what is
>> meant by vidvat sanyAsa, and is meant by Yagnyavalkya when he decides to
>> take to sanyasa even though he is a jnAni. By this action of his,
>> Yagnnyavalkya himself confirms the need for sanyAsa to become a jIvanmukta
>> even for a jnAni.
>>
>> This is my understanding.
>> Regards
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 2:16 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok.
>>>
>>> But then how would you reconcile several grihastha jivanmuktas available
>>> in
>>> Puranas.
>>>
>>> My understanding has been -- the sequence of Gitabhashya 5.12 --
>>> कर्मयोग--सत्त्व-शुद्धि -- ज्ञानप्राप्ति -- सर्वकर्मसंन्यास--
>>> ज्ञाननिष्ठा--
>>> मोक्ष is a sequence which spans across many lives. ज्ञाननिष्ठा and
>>> सर्वकर्मसंन्यास require physical sanyasa. But a person in such states --
>>> which is post सत्त्वशुद्धि -- if he dies and gets another body, he no
>>> longer is required to again have physical sanyasa. He carries from there
>>> and attains Moksha in whichever ashrama he is. He can attain that even
>>> while being in womb like Vamadeva. This is how we can reconcile grihastha
>>> jivanmuktas also.
>>>
>>> If we posit requirement of physical sanyasa in a particular birth,
>>> grihastha jivanmukta will be impossibility. Isn't that so?
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Mar, 2021, 1:56 pm , <jaldhar at braincells.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Thu, 11 Mar 2021, Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Do you propose impossibility of Moksha without sanyAsa (literal
>>> physical
>>> > > sanyAsa) in a particular birth
>>> >
>>> > Yes.  This is jivanmukti.
>>> >
>>> > > or across births?
>>> >
>>> > No.  This is kramamukti.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Jaldhar H. Vyas <jaldhar at braincells.com>
>>> >
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