[Advaita-l] Perception in lightning

[Venkatraghavan S]

Sudhanshu ji,

Yes. That is exactly what is being suggested to overcome the problem you
identified.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan

On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 2:16 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Venkataraghavan ji,
>
> Then vishaya-desha in all perception is indriya-golak. This is
> specifically denied for chakshu and shrotra in siddhAnta. Effectively, you
> are turning all vishaya to be located at indriya-golaka by making vishaya
> itself as light/sound located at the indriyagolak.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 11 May, 2021, 6:40 pm Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l, <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Subbuji,
>> I had suggested a response to the question "is what is seen the object, or
>> the conceptualisation of an object?" in an email to Raghav ji.
>>
>> With respect to what is pramA / bhrama, the prakriyA is exactly the same
>> as
>> the present. As the viShaya here is the reflected light, so long as the
>> light reflected from the object hits the eye + antahkaraNa, and the
>> antahkaraNa vRtti removes the ajnAna in prabhAvacChinna chaitanya, the
>> prabhAvacChinna chaitanya becomes one with the vRttyavacChinna chaitanya,
>> leading to the cognition "I see the object".
>>
>> It is bhrama / ayatArtha if the light hits the eye, but due to some doSha,
>> the ajnAna in the prabhAvacChinna chaitanya is not removed, leading to
>> jnAnA-/arthAdhyAsa.
>>
>> With respect to the X-ray example from Jagadguru Srimad Chandrasekhara
>> Bharati mahAsvAminah, the light that hits the X-ray plate is an X-ray (as
>> it is not within the visible spectrum, it is not pratyaksha yogya). What
>> is
>> captured by the plate on the other side are the X-rays that have not been
>> absorbed by the foetus. That being so, the eyes have not made contact with
>> the foetus. Rather the eyes make contact with the X ray plate that has
>> recorded the X-rays that have not been absorbed by the foetus. Hence, here
>> it is not the object itself that is seen, rather what is seen is a plate.
>>
>> In our example, it is the light from the pot itself that is seen, not the
>> light from the photograph of a pot.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Venkatraghavan
>>
>> On Tue, 11 May 2021, 12:34 V Subrahmanian, <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 4:25 PM Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Namaste
>> >> It is not to account for exceptions per se. The idea is to preserve as
>> >> much
>> >> of the advaita epistemological framework as possible, while accounting
>> for
>> >> observable scientific phenomena.
>> >>
>> >> That being the case, what was suggested is that if we change the
>> concept
>> >> of
>> >> what constitutes a viShaya to the subject (the object is not the
>> viShaya,
>> >> light / sound is), one can preserve the existing framework while
>> >> addressing
>> >> the challenge of viewing objects that have ceased to exist.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Would there be then the situation where one is perceiving/knowing not
>> the
>> > object per se but only a reflection or a compromise  of it and still
>> think
>> > that he is perceiving the object itself?  Would this then fall in the
>> > category of ayathartha jnana, bhrama?  Or would this be something like a
>> > 'samvaadi / visamvaadi bhrama' of the Panchadashi?
>> >
>> > HH Sri Chandrashekhara Bharati Swaminah had once remarked: when X rays
>> are
>> > used to get a view of a fetus, for instance, what the resultant picture
>> we
>> > get to see is not the fetus 'as it is' but only that of the object that
>> has
>> > reacted to the X ray.  I think somewhat similar would be the case.
>> >
>> > regards
>> > subbu
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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