[Advaita-l] Shabda and Dhvani

H S Chandramouli hschandramouli at gmail.com
Sat May 22 03:21:49 EDT 2021

Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,

Since there has been no other response, I am responding.

You have admitted travel to dhvani from its origin to
shrotra-indriya-golaka based on the Bhashya 1-3-28. I am copying the
immediately succeeding part from the same Bhashya.

<< प्रत्यासीदतश्च पटुमृदुत्वादिभेदं वर्णेष्वासञ्जयति ; >>

<< pratyAsIdatashcha paTumRRidutvAdibhedaM varNeShvAsa~njayati ; >>

Translation  << but invests  the letters with such differences as high or
low pitch etc in his ears as he approaches nearer >>.

In other words, dhvani becomes shabda as its origin moves closer to the
ears. Notice still the cognition is at the shrotra-indriya-golaka only as
earlier with dhvani (as defined by you).

Does this not constitute Bhashya PramANa for travel of shabda (as defined
by you) from its origin?


On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 8:05 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Hari Om,
> Please share your views as to whether shabda and dhvani are same or
> different. Here by shabda, I mean the vishay of shrotra-indriya which is
> the guNa of AkAsha.
> It is admitted in VedAnta that shabda does not travel to shrotra-indriya
> rather shrotra-indriya travel to shabda.
> For dhvani, Acharya says in BSB 1.3.28 --  कः पुनरयं ध्वनिर्नाम ? यो
> दूरादाकर्णयतो वर्णविवेकमप्रतिपद्यमानस्य कर्णपथमवतरति.
> This implies that dhvani comes to karNa I.e. shrotra-indriya-golaka.
> Prima facie, it appears then that dhvani and shabda are different for
> dhvani is stated to come to indriya-golaka whereas shabda does not come to
> indriya-golaka.
> Learned members to please share their considered views.
> Regards,
> Sudhanshu Shekhar.
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