[Advaita-l] [advaitin] 'Dvaita accepts body-adhyasa'

[Kaushik Chevendra]

Namaste.
I dont exactly know in depth regarding the tat tvam asi and madhwas,but I
remember on the adbuthams blog ,subu sir had a long discussion with a
madhwa in this topic. Hope he can shed some light on this.

Thank you
Namo narayanaya

On Tue, 19 Oct, 2021, 8:56 pm Vinodh via Advaita-l, <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Thank you for the explanation, Sri Kaushik. It certainly seems to be a
> valuable teaching in dvaita vyavahara, where the 'tvam' is taken to be the
> individual Jiva that identifies as Svetaketu and as different from other
> individuals. This Jiva-Paramatma bheda is required for surrendering to the
> Paramatma and letting go of one's ego which is a source of desires.
>
> However, I still wonder how such a teaching of "That is the Atma, That you
> are not." ties up with the initial part of the discussion. The discussion
> starts with Svetaketu coming back from Gurukulam with a pride of knowing
> everything, to which his father asks if he has ever heard the teaching by
> which one hears what cannot be heard, by which one perceives what cannot be
> perceived, by which one knows what cannot be known. His father later
> expands on it by saying that this teaching is similar to how by knowing a
> clod of clay all things made of clay are known, or how by knowing a gold
> nugget all things made of gold are known, etc. I wonder how the dvaitins
> could possibly justify that "That is Atma, That you are not" is such a type
> of teaching.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:32 PM Kaushik Chevendra <
> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Namaste.
> > The madhwas propose "atat tvam asi" because shvetaku was initially full
> of
> > pride. To remove this pride his father tells him his not the supreme
> entity
> > rather he is always under the control and mercy of it.
> > This is the response given by them.
> >
> > Namo narayanaya
> >
> > On Tue, 19 Oct, 2021, 3:37 pm Vinodh via Advaita-l, <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Sri Subbu ji,
> >>
> >> I have briefly read about the interpretation of 'tattvamasi' as
> >> 'atatvamasi' by Madhvacharya, although I wonder how he ties it up
> together
> >> with the beginning of Svetaketu-Uddalaka discussion on knowing that by
> >> which everything is known. An answer that "that is not you" seems very
> >> anticlimactic to such a discussion after describing the creation of
> >> everything from Sat. It is interesting to know that later Dvaitins have
> >> also tried other interpretations of tattvamasi. Thank you for sharing.
> >> 😊🙏
> >>
> >> Namaskaram
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 10:42 AM V Subrahmanian <
> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 9:07 AM Vinodh <vinodh.iitm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Namskaram Sri Subbu ji and Sri Suresh ji, it interesting to know how
> >> >> Dvaitavaadins differently interpret the same statements from the
> >> sruti. It
> >> >> is even more fascinating to know how even such a different
> >> interpretation
> >> >> can still be subsumed under Advaita. Thanks for sharing. 🙏
> >> >>
> >> >> This makes me very curious to know more such examples of how similar
> >> >> sruti vaakyas have been differently interpreted and how a
> >> reconciliation
> >> >> can still be made under the Advaitic view. If there was already such
> a
> >> >> compilation made in another discussion earlier, I would greatly
> >> appreciate
> >> >> if someone could point me to it.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dear Vinodh,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> While I am not aware of any scholarly compilation of such instances,
> >> here
> >> >> are some well known ones:  Madhva takes Tattvamasi as atattvamasi =
> >> you are
> >> >> not that.  His interpretation of aham brahma asmi is very
> >> complicated.  Yet
> >> >> later Dvaiitins have laboured to compose some twenty different
> >> >> interpretations of tattvamasi (not atattvamasi), everyone of these
> >> steering
> >> >> clear of the advaitic interpretation. 😊  These are just two well
> known
> >> >> examples of many others not so very well known.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > regards
> >> > subbu
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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