[Advaita-l] [advaitin] 'Dvaita accepts body-adhyasa'

Vinodh vinodh.iitm at gmail.com
Tue Oct 19 12:04:43 EDT 2021

Excellent reference! Thank you so much for translating and summarizing the
viewpoints in your comment on the video, Sri Subbu ji. Much appreciated🙏

On Tue 19. Oct 2021 at 21:25, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>

> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 9:17 PM Kaushik Chevendra <
> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Namaste.
>> I dont exactly know in depth regarding the tat tvam asi and madhwas,but I
>> remember on the adbuthams blog ,subu sir had a long discussion with a
>> madhwa in this topic. Hope he can shed some light on this.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei1ha9nZ9P8      This video has a
> discussion in Kannada on the Tat tvam asi.  The first comment on that page
> gives one the Advaitic view of the opinions stated in the video.
> regards
> subbu
>> Thank you
>> Namo narayanaya
>> On Tue, 19 Oct, 2021, 8:56 pm Vinodh via Advaita-l, <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> Thank you for the explanation, Sri Kaushik. It certainly seems to be a
>>> valuable teaching in dvaita vyavahara, where the 'tvam' is taken to be
>>> the
>>> individual Jiva that identifies as Svetaketu and as different from other
>>> individuals. This Jiva-Paramatma bheda is required for surrendering to
>>> the
>>> Paramatma and letting go of one's ego which is a source of desires.
>>> However, I still wonder how such a teaching of "That is the Atma, That
>>> you
>>> are not." ties up with the initial part of the discussion. The discussion
>>> starts with Svetaketu coming back from Gurukulam with a pride of knowing
>>> everything, to which his father asks if he has ever heard the teaching by
>>> which one hears what cannot be heard, by which one perceives what cannot
>>> be
>>> perceived, by which one knows what cannot be known. His father later
>>> expands on it by saying that this teaching is similar to how by knowing a
>>> clod of clay all things made of clay are known, or how by knowing a gold
>>> nugget all things made of gold are known, etc. I wonder how the dvaitins
>>> could possibly justify that "That is Atma, That you are not" is such a
>>> type
>>> of teaching.
>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:32 PM Kaushik Chevendra <
>>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Namaste.
>>> > The madhwas propose "atat tvam asi" because shvetaku was initially
>>> full of
>>> > pride. To remove this pride his father tells him his not the supreme
>>> entity
>>> > rather he is always under the control and mercy of it.
>>> > This is the response given by them.
>>> >
>>> > Namo narayanaya
>>> >

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