[Advaita-l] Binary nature of Jnana

[Anand N]

Namaste,

we could continue the discussion. Please share your thoughts on the points
of disagreement.
I somehow thought it had reached its logical end, so I wanted to summarize.
My own views that were presented were from the talks and lectures that I
have heard
and not based on being able to read Bhashya, hence I defer to people with
deeper knowledge.
I think it's important that each one presents their standpoint, that is
actually enlivening this forum.
People can agree to disagree and hopefully not be disagreeable :-)

Om Namo Narayanaya,
Anand




On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 at 17:06, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Anand Ji,
>
> I am afraid my understanding on many of the conclusions you have listed
> are entirely different. Nodoubt these came up during the course of this
> thread, but I did not feel like diverting my attention from the topic I had
> already taken up in the thread for a closer understanding. Especially on
> definition of a jnAni, role of Shravana/manana/nididhyasana etc. In many
> cases, you had yourself broughtout alternative understandings on some of
> these issues. Others had also pointed out, bud did not pursue. I am not
> going into the details. But just did not want to convey the impression that
> what you have summarized were the final conclusions arrived at in this
> thread.
>
> Regards
>
>
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> On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 5:51 PM Anand N via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste,
>>
>> Some key take aways for me from the rather technical discussion, which I
>> have simplified (hopefully not oversimplified):
>> 1. When one attains Jnana, one cannot fall back to Ajnana. Hence it is
>> binary in nature.
>> 2. When one attains Jnana, one may practice Nididhyasana in order to
>> counter Viparita Bhavana
>> 3. Nididhyasana is post jnana. Until Jnana it is only Manana. Even
>> Vedantic
>> Meditations can be considered only as Nirguna Upasana/Dhyana and not
>> Nididhyasana.
>> 4. Even though one is a Jnani, if Viparita Bhavana is strong then there is
>> a possibility of rebirth and there is no guarantee of Videha Mukti
>> 5. The last thought at the time of death determining one's rebirth is
>> applicable to an Ajnani only.
>> 6. The word Brahmanishta can be used for Ajnani and Jnani as well. It all
>> depends on the context where the word occurs.
>>
>> Please correct me if I have stated something wrong.
>>
>> Om Namo Narayanaya,
>> Anand
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 5 Jul 2022 at 13:09, Praveen R. Bhat via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste,
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 10:48 PM V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > That the last thought, irrespective of the content of that thought,
>> which
>> > > is involuntary no doubt, that occurs or arises to the aparoksha Jnani
>> at
>> > > the moment of death has no say whatsoever on his liberated state
>> which is
>> > > guaranteed beyond any doubt whatsoever, is thus discussed and settled
>> by
>> > > Swami Vidyaranya with reason at the the end of the second chapter of
>> the
>> > > Panchadashi:
>> > >
>> >
>> > I'm happy that Subbuji has with lot of sources shown a flaw in
>> considering
>> > the last thought before death for an aparokSha jnAnI as important
>> during my
>> > reply to Raghavji. That was only for Raghavji's setting the context
>> that a
>> > glimpse of jnAna may not give videhamukti. Yes, his nididhyAsana is not
>> > nididhyAsana, but nirguNa dhyAna, which will bring the importance of the
>> > last thought at death back into the picture!
>> >
>> > gurupAdukAbhyAm,
>> > --Praveen R. Bhat
>> > /* येनेदं सर्वं विजानाति, तं केन विजानीयात्। Through what should one
>> know
>> > That, owing to which all this is known! [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */
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