[Advaita-l] Rtam and Satyam

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste.

I just noticed that Sri Subrahmanian Ji has already cited this quote from
Tai Up though perhaps his understanding of the same is different from what
I have said. Sorry for the repetition of the quote.

Regards



On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 5:14 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste.
>
> Tai Up ;;  Valli 1,AnuvAka 1
>
> <<  ऋतं यथाशास्त्रं यथाकर्तव्यं बुद्धौ सुपरिनिश्चितमर्थं त्वदधीनत्वात्
> त्वामेव वदिष्यामि ; सत्यमिति स एव वाक्कायाभ्यां सम्पाद्यमानः >>
>
> <<  RRitaM yathAshAstraM yathAkartavyaM buddhau suparinishchitamarthaM
> tvadadhInatvAt tvAmeva vadiShyAmi ; satyamiti sa eva vAkkAyAbhyAM
> sampAdyamAnaH  >>,
>
> My understanding, based on this, is that Rtam is implicit faith in what
> the Shastras convey while Satyam is actions and speech carried out strictly
> in accordance with what is ordained by the Shastras.
>
> Regards
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 12:49 PM R Krishnamoorthy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Dears
>> Sathyam is beyond times.That is it is valid permanently.When Sathyam is
>> quoted subsequently it is rutham.
>> R.Krishnamoorthy.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On 01-Jul-2022, at 6:13 PM, Anand N via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Namaste,
>> >
>> > Bhaskarji gave an example where Satyam is Parmarthika  and Rtam is
>> > Vyavaharika.
>> > Subbuji gave an example where Satyam is the practical aspect and Rtam is
>> > the potential aspect of truth.
>> > Are these not contradictory?
>> > Could anyone please clarify.
>> >
>> > Om Namo Narayanaya,
>> > Anand
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 1 Jul 2022 at 12:41, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 2:11 PM Anand N via Advaita-l <
>> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Namaste,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Can someone please define Rtam and Satyam and also give their
>> difference.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> In the Taittiriya Upanishad beginning there is a Shanti Patha where
>> these
>> >> two words occur
>> >>
>> >> ऋतं वदिष्यामि । सत्यं वदिष्यामि ।
>> >>
>> >> For which Shankaracharya writes:
>> >>
>> >> *ऋतं* यथाशास्त्रं यथाकर्तव्यं बुद्धौ सुपरिनिश्चितमर्थं
>> >> *सत्यमिति *स एव वाक्कायाभ्यां सम्पाद्यमानः,
>> >>
>> >> I give below please translation of Swami Gambhirananda for these lines:
>> >>
>> >> Rtam, righteousness, is an idea fully ascertained by the intellect in
>> >> accordance with the scriptures and in conformity with practice. Satyam
>> >> truth is that which is reduced to practice through speech and bodily
>> >> action.
>> >>
>> >> From this what transpires is Satyam when unarticulated is Rtm.
>> >>
>> >> This kind of friends we can have when both these terms are used
>> >> together. However, when both are used in different contexts, then the
>> >> meaning also differs. For example, Brahman is called Satyam in the
>> >> Taittiriya Upanishad itself. Hear it means that which is constant
>> without
>> >> undergoing any changes. And very interestingly the opposite of this
>> Satyam
>> >> will be an-Rtam. So  here Rtam will be equivalent to Satyam in this
>> >> context. In fact Shankaracharya says in the bhashyam for this word
>> Satyam
>> >> in the context of Brahman says 'that which does not stay constant,
>> that is,
>> >> that which gives up its determined nature, is an-Rtam, that is false,
>> and
>> >> for that he cites the Chandogya Upanishad which says clay alone is
>> real and
>> >> the name form clay products are mere words, implying that they are
>> unreal.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We have the word Rtam to denote Brahman too in this verse from the
>> >> mahopanishat 4.54 / Laghu Yoga vAsiShTha utpatti prakaraNam 1.12:
>> >>
>> >> ऋतमात्मा परं ब्रह्म सत्यमित्यादिका बुधैः ।
>> >> कल्पिता व्यवहारार्थं तस्य संज्ञा महात्मनः ॥4.54॥
>> >>
>> >> [In order to facilitate parlance, the wise employ words such as Rtam,
>> >> AtmA, Param, Brahma, Satyam, etc., to designate that Supreme Self.]
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >> subbu
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Om Namo Narayanaya,
>> >>> Anand
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