[Advaita-l] Chitta vRutti nirOdha

Vikas Rao vikas5678 at gmail.com
Thu Sep 29 10:45:46 EDT 2022


This is pointed out by Ramana Maharishi due to the fact that when the state
of 'chitta vritti nirodha' ends and the yogi rises from samadhi, there is
still the mental activity in response to the ever-changing body-mind-world
complex, which can continue to create suffering for the yogi. Even in the
yoga sutras, Viveka khyati is means for ending suffering (YS Ch 2:26).
Again, in the yoga sutras, chapter 4 ends with a definition of Kaivalyam
which they define as resting in the state of the seer unaffected by the
changing gunas. It seems to be this is not inconsistent with what the
Maharishi says in the text you quoted.


On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 6:04 AM sreenivasa murthy via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Dear friends, Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi says :Quote :
> 485
> M : Again people often ask how the mind is controlled. I say tothem,
> “Show me the mind and then you will know what to do.” The factis
> that the mind is only a bundle of thoughts. How can youextinguish it
> by the thought of doing so or by a desire? Your thoughts anddesires
> are part and parcel of the mind. The mind is simply fattened bynew
> thoughts rising up. Therefore it is foolish to attempt to killthe mind by
> means of the mind. The only way of doing it is to find its sourceand hold
> on to it. The mind will then fade away of its own accord. Yoga
> teacheschitta vritti nirodha (control of the activities of the mind). But I
> sayAtma vichara (Self-investigation). This is the practical
> way.Chittavritti nirodha is brought about in sleep, swoon or by starvation.
> As soonas the cause is withdrawn there is recrudescence of thoughts. Of
> what use is itthen? In the state of stupor there is peace and no misery.
> But misery recurswhen the stupor is removed. So nirodha (control) is
> useless and cannotbe of lasting benefit.
>                                                [ Talks with Sri Ramana
> Maharshi; Dialogue  485]
> Unquote .Any comments from the scholar members of this group?With
> respectful namaskars ,Sreenivasa Murty
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