[Advaita-l] [advaitin] rAma-krishna-shiva-durga etc. are not same in shAstric vyavahAra!!!

[suresh srinivasamurthy]

Namaste Advaitins,

Here is my 2 paise worth:

IMO, as Ishwara is sarva shakta and sarva vyApi, he can be realised through any name/form.

But still tradition mainly considers Shiva/Vishnu as the deities stand for atma/truth and vishwa/dharma tattva respectively.
Realizing the identity between these two leads to true "selflessness" or Brahma bhAva.

IMO Vishwaroopatva of Ishwara / Looking upon the entire universe as the body of Ishwara as described in BGita 11-13,
is the stepping stone for Advaitic realization as it includes/intergrates all particulars.

So whatever may be one's Ishta devata - it should be become the entire universe for the devotee.

तत्रैकस्थं जगत्कृत्स्नं प्रविभक्तमनेकधा ।
अपश्यद्देवदेवस्य शरीरे पाण्डवस्तदा ॥

Regards,
Suresh
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] rAma-krishna-shiva-durga etc. are not same in shAstric vyavahAra!!!

Namaste sir.

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> >  If this is really a traditional stand then we have to exclude
> Subramanya / shaNmukha as Ishwara as he is not included or listed  in
> paNchAyatana pooja but considered only in shaNmata

Thats is because shanmuka is a jeeva. Infact in acharyas bhasya itself that
shanmuka became rudras son due to a boon and he is sanatkumara Rishi.

> 😊 And sUrya one of the paNchAyatana devata-s has been following the
> orders of some other higher Chaitanya in fear !! as per taittireeya,  like
> other devatas agni, indra and vAyu ( bheeshAsmAvAtaH pavate, bhishOdeti
> sUryaH etc. ) he too obey the order of his boss.  So sUrya must be having
> karma/puNya janita temporary shareera / post.

Yes. This is true. Surya Deva is a jeeva only. Shri jagadguru
chandrashekhara Bharathi swamin has clarified this in his talks. If you
wish to read it, i shall share the book.
From Surya to hiranyagarbha all the jeevas attain the post due to karma
which is given by isvara. But isvara is i always the ruler as shri
shankaracharya quotes Krishna's statment from gita in his bsb bhasya to
prove this point. Acharya says that the jeevas are eternal part of isvara
who is the ruler and all the jeevas are ruled.
Then why is Surya Deva included in the pachadeva Pooja. It is because his
upasana as saguna brahman has been prescribed in the Shruthi. And also
Surya is a viboothi of narayana (surya Narayana). Infact shankaracharya
himself has said Surya attains mukthi after the exhaustion of punya. But in
the case of isvara there is no karma to be exhausted.

  And devi's avataara like mAtru bhagini bhaginyAdi devata),sapta mAtruka
> and vinAyaka ( bhUta gaNa in shiva parivAra) etc. also to be ignored as
> they are taamasi devata.  And though from the tip of the devi's nails
> nArayANAdi dashaakruti emerging ( karAnguli nakhOtpanna narAyaNa
> dashAkrutiH) devi's other avatAra like chandi, chAmundi, Bhadra kAli etc.
> not fit to be worshipped considering them in IshvarOpAdhi.  When it comes
> to avatara of Ishwara and which is mentioned in shAstra, is bit confusing
> since shAstra says yadA yadAhi dharmasya glAnirbhavati I will be there to
> protect dharma, shishta rakshaNa, dushta shikshaNa assures lord,  so his
> avatAra might be Ananta sahasra not restricted to ONLY dashAvatAra....how
> to reconcile all this  and still stick to particular name and form of ONLY
> five devata-s and conclude ONLY panchAyatana devata-s as Ishwara!!??
>
Very simple, has the shastra declared these dietys as forms of isvara? If
so, one can happily worship them. If not the no. Quite simple

>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
>
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