[Advaita-l] [advaitin] rAma-krishna-shiva-durga etc. are not same in shAstric vyavahAra!!!

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

This discussion is being taken in wrong directions by all parties.

A person pursuing Jnana Marga like a Sanyasi will say all forms like Rama,
Krishna, Shiva, Durga are same.

But a person in Upasana or Bhakti Marga will say his favorite Devata is the
highest. Others are inferior to that Devata. This attitude is required to
make progress in his path.

It is like a Pativrata Stree. She will say her husband is the best among
men though she will agree in principle all men are equal.

Among Smartas itself there are Shaivites mainly but there are also
Bhagavatas. The Shaivite Smarta will say Shiva is Supreme Brshman. The
Bhagavata will say Vishnu is highest. But both will agree only in principle
they are both the same Ishwara. But in practice one is superior to
the other.

On Fri, 10 Feb 2023 at 1:21 PM Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> praNAms Sri Venkatraghavan prabhuji
> Hare Krishna
>
> This is also correct, on the basis of the shruti कार्योपाधिरयं जीवः
> कारणोपाधिरीश्वरः. The name and form for Ishvara is not karma phala janita -
> so none of Vishnu, Shiva, Devi, etc are karma phala janita upAdhi, they are
> all mAyAmaya upAdhi / kAraNopAdhi.
>
>
>   *   Just I was thinking of closing this discussion since on most of the
> terms we are in agreement.  But this shruti reference I am not able to find
> it in dashOpanishat ( I might have missed it)  Kindly share up. Reference
> and shankara bhAshya on kAryOpAdnirayaM jeevaH kAraNOAdhireeshwaraH.  When
> it comes to upAdhi I think bhAshyakAra said upAdhi is avidyAkruta.  This is
> not about kAryOpAdhi, this is about kAraNOpAdhi of Ishwara, shankara
> explicitly says : evamavidyAkrutanAmarUpOpAdhyanurOdhi IshwarO
> bhavati…subsequent observations of bhAshyakAra substantiate this i.e.  even
> IshrOpAdhi is mere avidyAkruta hence his sarvajnatvaM, sharvashatitvaM etc.
> valid only in avidyA kshetra.  And in samanvayAdhikaraNa bhAshya
> bhAshyakAra talks about apekshitOpAdhisambandhaM.  (ekamekamapi brahma
> apekshitOpAdhisambandhaM nirastOpAdhi sambandhaM cha upAsyatvena jneyatvena
> cha vedAnteshUpadishyate.  What is apekshti upAdhi here of upAsaka??  And
> how it is not kAryOpAdhi but kAraNOpAdhi of Ishwara??  Please clarify.
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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Regards

-Venkatesh