[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Gaudapada and Shankara say: the world is imagined by the jiva through avidya

[V Subrahmanian]

Dear Bhaskar ji,

The quote that I have given from Sri SSS is certainly contradicting your
stance on the subject. He clearly says: it is kalpita.  You do not agree
with that stand. Even in the quote that you give it is the same message:
kalpita.  //AdhyAtmika vikalpavellavannu //  vikalpa is the word that
means: kalpita. For the word vikalpa in the Karika, Shankara says:

विकल्पो विनिवर्तेत कल्पितो यदि केनचित् ।
उपदेशादयं वादो ज्ञाते द्वैतं न विद्यते ॥ १८ ॥

ननु शास्ता शास्त्रं शिष्य इत्ययं विकल्पः कथं निवृत्त इति, उच्यते —
विकल्पो विनिवर्तेत
यदि केनचित्कल्पितः स्यात् । यथा अयं प्रपञ्चो मायारज्जुसर्पवत् , तथा अयं
शिष्यादिभेदविकल्पोऽपि प्राक्प्रतिबोधादेवोपदेशनिमित्तः ; अत उपदेशादयं वादः —
शिष्यः शास्ता शास्त्रमिति । उपदेशकार्ये तु ज्ञाने निर्वृत्ते ज्ञाते
परमार्थतत्त्वे, द्वैतं न विद्यते ॥

For vikalpa he gives the analogy of rajju sarpa, magic, etc. If the dvaita
prapancha were real, as you hold, Shankara should not have given that
analogy. He equates that to the shaastaa-shishya etc. vyavahara too,
signifying that even this vikalpa is unreal, like rajju sarpa alone.

Another vikalpa word in the Karika with rajju sarpa example in the karika
itself:

निश्चितायां यथा रज्ज्वां विकल्पो विनिवर्तते । रज्जुरेवेति चाद्वैतं
तद्वदात्मविनिश्चयः ॥ १८ ॥

So the quote you give from Sri SSS is also consistent with the one I
provided.

regards



On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 12:06 PM 'Bhaskar YR' via advaitin <
advaitin at googlegroups.com> wrote:

> praNAms Sri Subbu prabhuji
>
> Hare Krishna
>
>
>
> In his translation of this shloka and Bhashya, Sri SSS makes a special
> heading:
>
>
>
>    *ಒಳಗಿನ* *ಹೊರಗಿನ* *ವಸ್ತುಗಳೆರಡೂ* *ಕಲ್ಪಿತವೇ*  (Both the internal and
> external objects are illusory/imagined)
>
>
>
>    - Whenever talks like this (i.e. imagination of external and internal
>    things) in PTB there is suffix (if not everywhere at least most of the
>    times) like independently from brahman, brahma vyatirikta, brahma
>    vilakshaNa etc. to prove there exists nothing independently from brahman.
>    Sri SSS too emphasized this bhAshya pratijnA at somany places.  Just for
>    your ready reference, in one of his kannada works after quoting mundaka
>    shruti 2-2-11 : brahmaivedamamrutaM purastAt, brahma pashchaat brahma
>    dashiNatashchOttareNa…brahmaivedaM vishvaM idaM varishTaM, he explains (
>    please read this in Kannada as I cannot type any other language other than
>    English in my official laptop)  : avidyAdrushtiyinda namma munde enenu
>    kaaNisuttiruvadO edellavu brahmave, hindiruvudu brahmave, balakku, edakku,
>    mele, keelage  ellavu varishTavAda brahmave, hinde, munde emba deshavu,
>    andu, indu emba kAlavU Addarinda emba ‘kArya-kAraNa bhAvavu ‘nijavaagi
>    brahmave.  Brahmavallavendu naavu ariyuvudellavu haggadalliruva
>    haavinarivinante avidyeyindaada vikalpa maatrave.  Edannu manavarike
>    maaduvudakke shAstravu ‘edalla’ edalla’ endu allagaLeyuvudu.  And then He
>    quotes kArika 2-38 and further explains : OLage deha, indriya, manassu
>    muntaagi kANuva AdhyAtmika vikalpavellavannu ‘paramAtma tattvave endu
>    aritukoLLabeku, horage kaaNuttiruva pruthivAdi vikalpagaLannu tattvavende
>    kaNdukOllabeku.  tAnU tattvave, etc.  And at the bottom he insisted his
>    stand by saying :  ede shAstra bOdhaneya krama, ede shAstrAThavannu aritu
>    kOlluvadembudu.  ( English translation :  This is the way in which
>    shAstra/scripture teaching us, and this is how we have to understand the
>    scriptural meaning) If you agree what Sri SSS says here then only quote Sri
>    SSS in support of your understanding of shAstra otherwise kindly stop
>    quoting Sri SSS.
>
>
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>
> bhaskar
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