[Advaita-l] Regarding Introduction Panchayatan to Shanmata

[Kaushik Chevendra]

Infact in the northern mathas such as Puri,badri etc. The pancha devata
Pooja alone is there. There is an absence of skanda. They cite the BSB
bhasya of sanatkumara being a rishi and not isvara.

On Tue, 7 Mar, 2023, 3:51 pm Venkatesh Murthy, <vmurthy36 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namaste
>
> Adi Shankara may have introduced Panchayatana Puja with only five Devatas.
> But the worship of Skanda is very popular in the Tamil country even today
> also. In other parts of India we do not see Skanda temples or worship that
> much. He is mostly not worshipped outside South India.
>
> Therefore we can assume the Tamil people added Skanda and said Adi
> Shankara introduced Shanmata.
>
> On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 at 1:34 PM sammit khandeparker via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaskar,But, five devtas have a relation with pancha-mahabhutas, etc.
>> So, the addition of one would cause the disorder. I hope I am being clear
>> here in my thought process.
>> Dr. Sammit P. S. Khandeparkar PhD(Religious Studies)
>>
>>     On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 01:13:17 PM GMT+5:30, Kaushik Chevendra <
>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Namaste.Check the article given by Subramanian sir. It contains various
>> statments from bhasyas of acharya and puranas to show that skanda can be
>> worshipped as isvara.
>> On Tue, 7 Mar, 2023, 1:11 pm sammit khandeparker, <justsammit at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think we are moving away from the discussion on 5 to 6. Has anyone
>> found Bhagwadpad explaining why he introduced shanamata? Dhanywad
>> Dr. Sammit P. S. Khandeparkar PhD(Religious Studies)
>>
>>     On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 12:43:40 PM GMT+5:30, Kaushik Chevendra <
>> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Namaste
>>
>>
>>
>> Hare Krishna
>>
>>  No mention about  skanda  in skanda purAna only shiva and vishNu !!??? I
>> just wonder.
>>
>> Have i said there is no mention? I have said that the "majority" of
>> stories or sections contain harihara mahamatya. The purana occurs as a
>> conversation between hara and skanda.This is a bit odd because in the Shiva
>> purana the praise of Shiva is higher and in Vishnu purana the praise of
>> Vishnu is higher. But in the skanda the majority is praise of Shiva/Vishnu.
>> That's what I meant.
>>
>>   However, in taittireeya AraNyaka aruNa prashna we have the name of
>> subraHmaNya and in Rigveda mantra also we can find the names like kumAra,
>> subramaNya etc.
>>
>> I doubt they are referring to the Shiva Parvati suta skanda. But i may be
>> wrong.
>>
>> in sarpa sambandhita sUkta-s.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>>
>> bhaskar
>>
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>> "And he is easy to be recognized as one of the main deities since there
>> is a purANA (skanda purANa) dedicated to him exclusively"
>>
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>> Actually in the skanda Purana the majority of glorification is of Shiva
>> and Vishnu. There is a complete section of Vishnu mahamatya and the
>> remaining consists of Shiva mahamatya.
>>
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>> On Tue, 7 Mar, 2023, 9:28 am Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l, <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
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>>
>> Panch-Devatas also are deities for Panch-mahabhutas. So sixth deity is an
>> unexplainable addition. If one is to say that such a thing was done to
>> integrate skada-worshipping sanatanis then it looks like a superficial
>> reason. As it disturbs the integrity of panch
>> mahabhutas-panchindriyas-panchdevtas etc."
>>
>> praNAms
>> Hare Krishna
>>
>> Atleast as per existing practice worshipping Subramanya / kumAra /skanda
>> not at all debatable as there is a traditional belief that there is lot of
>> stotra-s in the name of subrahmaNya composed by shankara.  Matching saNkhya
>> and explaining the significance of deities can be done like sattva rajas
>> and tamas for trimurthi-s, shaNmukha kumaara swamy too must be carrying his
>> own merits with his six heads for being worshipped by his devotees.  I read
>> somewhere he is the destroyer of arishadvarga and he has to be worshipping
>> in all R~tus (shadR~utus) and he is the personification of ishwaratva
>> (surasainyanAthaM), karuNa, tapa, Ishwarya, jnaana and vairagya. There must
>> be something more if we search the significance of subrahmaNya in the
>> hindu’s plethora of gods and goddesses😊 And he is easy to be recognized as
>> one of the main deities since there is a purANA (skanda purANa) dedicated
>> to him exclusively.  So worshippers of skanda could see more deep and
>> philosophical significance in it.  Just few of my thoughts.
>>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> bhaskar
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