[Advaita-l] Regarding Introduction Panchayatan to Shanmata

[V Subrahmanian]

Among Southern brahmins who do panchayatana at their homes, many have
included a 'vel' (shaktyaayudha) made of silver or brass in the set of five
deities. This is to represent Skanda. The special bhakti to Skanda among
Tamil Smartas is because of very popular Tamil works like Thiiruppugazh,
Skanda Shasthi kavacham, and many more which hold Skanda to be Parabrahman.
Skanda is a popular deity of the Tamil Sangam era, early 1st - 5th
Centuries CE.. Temples like Pazhani, Tiruttani, etc. six of them are in TN.
There is a strong belief that Skanda is Vishnu's nephew being son of His
sister Parvathy.

regards
subbu

On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 4:12 PM Kaushik Chevendra via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Infact in the northern mathas such as Puri,badri etc. The pancha devata
> Pooja alone is there. There is an absence of skanda. They cite the BSB
> bhasya of sanatkumara being a rishi and not isvara.
>
> On Tue, 7 Mar, 2023, 3:51 pm Venkatesh Murthy, <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Namaste
> >
> > Adi Shankara may have introduced Panchayatana Puja with only five
> Devatas.
> > But the worship of Skanda is very popular in the Tamil country even today
> > also. In other parts of India we do not see Skanda temples or worship
> that
> > much. He is mostly not worshipped outside South India.
> >
> > Therefore we can assume the Tamil people added Skanda and said Adi
> > Shankara introduced Shanmata.
> >
> > On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 at 1:34 PM sammit khandeparker via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Namaskar,But, five devtas have a relation with pancha-mahabhutas, etc.
> >> So, the addition of one would cause the disorder. I hope I am being
> clear
> >> here in my thought process.
> >> Dr. Sammit P. S. Khandeparkar PhD(Religious Studies)
> >>
> >>     On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 01:13:17 PM GMT+5:30, Kaushik
> Chevendra <
> >> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Namaste.Check the article given by Subramanian sir. It contains various
> >> statments from bhasyas of acharya and puranas to show that skanda can be
> >> worshipped as isvara.
> >> On Tue, 7 Mar, 2023, 1:11 pm sammit khandeparker, <justsammit at yahoo.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think we are moving away from the discussion on 5 to 6. Has anyone
> >> found Bhagwadpad explaining why he introduced shanamata? Dhanywad
> >> Dr. Sammit P. S. Khandeparkar PhD(Religious Studies)
> >>
> >>     On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 12:43:40 PM GMT+5:30, Kaushik
> Chevendra <
> >> chevendrakaushik at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  Namaste
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hare Krishna
> >>
> >>  No mention about  skanda  in skanda purAna only shiva and vishNu !!???
> I
> >> just wonder.
> >>
> >> Have i said there is no mention? I have said that the "majority" of
> >> stories or sections contain harihara mahamatya. The purana occurs as a
> >> conversation between hara and skanda.This is a bit odd because in the
> Shiva
> >> purana the praise of Shiva is higher and in Vishnu purana the praise of
> >> Vishnu is higher. But in the skanda the majority is praise of
> Shiva/Vishnu.
> >> That's what I meant.
> >>
> >>   However, in taittireeya AraNyaka aruNa prashna we have the name of
> >> subraHmaNya and in Rigveda mantra also we can find the names like
> kumAra,
> >> subramaNya etc.
> >>
> >> I doubt they are referring to the Shiva Parvati suta skanda. But i may
> be
> >> wrong.
> >>
> >> in sarpa sambandhita sUkta-s.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> >>
> >> bhaskar
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> |
> >> Bhaskar YR
> >>
> >>
> >>  |
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Kaushik Chevendra <chevendrakaushik at gmail.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2023 9:54 AM
> >> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> >> Cc: sammit khandeparker <justsammit at yahoo.com>; V Subrahmanian <
> >> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>; Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at hitachienergy.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Regarding Introduction Panchayatan to Shanmata
> >>
> >>
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> >> "And he is easy to be recognized as one of the main deities since there
> >> is a purANA (skanda purANa) dedicated to him exclusively"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually in the skanda Purana the majority of glorification is of Shiva
> >> and Vishnu. There is a complete section of Vishnu mahamatya and the
> >> remaining consists of Shiva mahamatya.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 7 Mar, 2023, 9:28 am Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l, <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Panch-Devatas also are deities for Panch-mahabhutas. So sixth deity is
> an
> >> unexplainable addition. If one is to say that such a thing was done to
> >> integrate skada-worshipping sanatanis then it looks like a superficial
> >> reason. As it disturbs the integrity of panch
> >> mahabhutas-panchindriyas-panchdevtas etc."
> >>
> >> praNAms
> >> Hare Krishna
> >>
> >> Atleast as per existing practice worshipping Subramanya / kumAra /skanda
> >> not at all debatable as there is a traditional belief that there is lot
> of
> >> stotra-s in the name of subrahmaNya composed by shankara.  Matching
> saNkhya
> >> and explaining the significance of deities can be done like sattva rajas
> >> and tamas for trimurthi-s, shaNmukha kumaara swamy too must be carrying
> his
> >> own merits with his six heads for being worshipped by his devotees.  I
> read
> >> somewhere he is the destroyer of arishadvarga and he has to be
> worshipping
> >> in all R~tus (shadR~utus) and he is the personification of ishwaratva
> >> (surasainyanAthaM), karuNa, tapa, Ishwarya, jnaana and vairagya. There
> must
> >> be something more if we search the significance of subrahmaNya in the
> >> hindu’s plethora of gods and goddesses😊 And he is easy to be
> recognized as
> >> one of the main deities since there is a purANA (skanda purANa)
> dedicated
> >> to him exclusively.  So worshippers of skanda could see more deep and
> >> philosophical significance in it.  Just few of my thoughts.
> >>
> >> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> >> bhaskar
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