[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Re: Does the mukta/jnani see the world?

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,

The tIkA clarifies the meaning of the word पदार्थधिया (padArthadhiyA)
appearing in the verse 84 as **  पदार्थधिया शुद्धतत्वंपदार्थनिश्चयेन **
(padArthadhiyA shuddhatatvaMpadArthanishchayena ). This is exactly what is
stated in the translation I had posted for verse 2-84 in my earlier post.

Regards

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On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 3:39 PM H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,
>
> Thanks for the link. Since the title said Part 1, I did not check further
> earlier.
>
> The tIkA on 2-84 confirms my earlier stated understanding. तत्त्वमसि
> (tatvamasi) means परिपूर्णदृष्टिं  निष्प्रपञ्चप्रत्यग्ब्रह्माभेददृष्टिम्
> (paripUrNadRRiShTiM  niShprapa~nchapratyagbrahmAbhedadRRiShTim) stated in
> tIkA on verse 84.
>
> Regards
>
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 3:11 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
> sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Namaste Chandramouli ji.
>>
>> Pl check the TIkA.
>> https://archive.org/details/WRJC_sankshepa-sharirak-chapter-1-with-explanation-by-madhusudan-sarasvati-1887-kashika-press-kashi/page/n613/mode/2up
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 2:43 PM H S Chandramouli <
>> hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Namaste Sudhanshu Ji,
>>>
>>> Reg  // The TIkA by MS on sankshepa shArIraka 2.82 to 2.85 may be
>>> perused. Here, the text classifies three drishTi, pariNAma-drishTi,
>>> vivarta-drishTi and antyA-drishTi. It says that one attains Moksha through
>>> antyA-drishTi by sequentially sublimating the earlier drishTi //,
>>>
>>> I was not able to get at the tIkA of Sri MS on SAMKSEPASARIRAKA. However
>>> I could get to download the text SAMKSEPASARIRAKA itself with translation
>>> by Prof Veezhinathan at the following link
>>>
>>> //
>>> https://ia600906.us.archive.org/13/items/SankshepaSarirakaOfSarvajnatmaVeezhinathanN/Sankshepa%20Sariraka%20of%20Sarvajnatma%20Veezhinathan%20N_text.pdf
>>> //
>>>
>>> I am copying below the translation of verses 2-83 to 2-85.  I have not
>>> copied for 2-82 as the page is missing. But it may not affect the
>>> conclusion.
>>>
>>> 2-83 // The view that the universe is real is the lowest (preli¬
>>> minary); and the view that the universe is not real lies in between (the
>>> lowest and the ultimate views'). The knowledge which instructs the universe
>>> to be unreal and which anni¬ hilates the illusive universe is ultimate. The
>>> blend (of the lowest and the ultimate views) is twofold as the notion of
>>> the existence of only one individual soul and the notion of existence of
>>> many souls longing for liberation. Here the negation of each preceding view
>>> leads to each succeeding view //
>>>
>>> 2-84  // The aspirant sets aside the notion of transformation and then
>>> cultivates the notion of transfiguration. Dis¬ regarding even that by the
>>> knowledge of the (secondary) senses of the terms (tat and tvam in the
>>> sentence tat tvam asi) he attains the knowledge of the oneness of the self
>>> //
>>>
>>> 2-85  //  The aspirant who longs for liberation and who is intended to
>>> be conveyed by the word atha1 pursues the variety of notions in due
>>> sequence as mentioned above. Then, being freed from the knowledge of all
>>> duality, he remains in his own supreme nature //.
>>>
>>> It is clear from the above, at least to me, that there appears to be a
>>> misunderstanding of the terms pariNAma-drishTi, vivarta-drishTi and
>>> antyA-drishTi cited by you from the tIkA. In my understanding,
>>> vivarta-drishTi refers to तत् (tat) only, and antyA-drishTi refers to
>>> तत्त्वमसि (tatvamasi). You may like to recheck the tIkA.
>>>
>>> With this understanding, there is no difference between the tIkA and
>>> SDV/DSV as far as attaining Moksha is concerned. Your following statement
>>> may need review.
>>>
>>>  //  My point is only this. Neither DSV nor SDV can take one to Moksha.
>>> For they are within the vivarta-vAda which maintains the prapancha-bhramatva
>>> // .
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 7:03 PM Sudhanshu Shekhar <
>>> sudhanshu.iitk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Namaste Chandramouli ji,
>>>>
>>>> The TIkA by MS on sankshepa shArIraka 2.82 to 2.85 may be perused.
>>>> Here, the text classifies three drishTi, pariNAma-drishTi, vivarta-drishTi
>>>> and antyA-drishTi. It says that one attains Moksha through antyA-drishTi by
>>>> sequentially sublimating the earlier drishTi.
>>>>
>>>> MS bifurcates vivarta-drishTi in two parts, nAnA-jIva and one-jIva
>>>> which is what SDV and DSV are respectively. He categorically states that
>>>> vivarta-drishTi is incapable of leading one to Moksha. I quote from 2.82 -
>>>> तत्त्वक्षति: प्रपञ्चसत्यत्वक्षतिकरी या विवर्तदृष्टि: सा मध्यमा,
>>>> ब्रह्मविचाराद्यधीन विवर्तदृष्टेः विवेकादिमत् पुरुषाश्रायत्वात् परम्परया
>>>> मोक्षोपयोगित्वात् आत्मविषयत्वात् च सा पूर्वदृष्ट्यपेक्षया उत्तमा, तावत्या
>>>> #द्वैतोपशान्त्यसम्भवाद्# द्वैतोपशान्त्यपेक्षया जघन्या इति मध्यमा इति
>>>> अर्थः।.....विवर्तदृष्टेरपि जीवैकत्व नानात्व विषयतया द्वैविध्यम् आह ...
>>>>
>>>> //This implies that as per Sri MS,  all the prakriyAs lead to the same
>>>> Goal. There is no difference in the status of the sAdhaka who reaches the
>>>> Goal through whichever prakriyA. Your contention appears to imply that the
>>>> status is different depending upon whether SDV or DSV or AjAtivAda is
>>>> followed by the sAdhaka.//
>>>>
>>>> Whether it is pariNAma-vAda or vivarta-vAda (which includes SDV and
>>>> DSV), they are useful in so far as they sequentially take one to
>>>> antyA-drishTi.
>>>>
>>>> antyA-drishTi is apavAda-drishTi. However, to reach there, one has to
>>>> necessarily sequentially pass through SDV and DSV. Since, DSV is just a
>>>> step short to antyA-drishTi, it is the most superior. In antyA-drishTi,
>>>> there is apavAda, basically ajAtivAda.
>>>>
>>>> My point is only this. Neither DSV nor SDV can take one to Moksha. For
>>>> they are within the vivarta-vAda which maintains the prapancha-bhramatva.
>>>>
>>>> It is only the antyA-drishTi, the ajAtivAda which is the truth. I would
>>>> request to kindly peruse 2.82 to 2.85 TIkA. I cannot find any soft copy. I
>>>> have the Hindi translation and reproducing the Sanskrit here will take time.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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